Questions on Vegas

[NorCalBJ]

Hey everyone. I am headed to Vegas for a Poker and BJ weekend with a buddy. It is the first time I am going in 4 years and the first time since I have become a counter. I am looking for advice or info on the best casinos for conditions.
I should say that I am a college student with a BJ roll of only about 400 for the weekend. So I will probably only be betting red chips at a 1-4 spread. So I don't imagine heat will be an issue. Just looking for the best games with the best rules. I have found some info on the net but am not sure how up to date it is. I'm sure with all of the knowledge the people on this board have I could get a few suggestions. Thanks.

 

[The Mayor]

With your BR you can't play any strip game. You can probably spread 5-20 at the single deck downtown (but dont play 6/5). You really don't have enough for a 5-30 spread at double deck (the minimum necessary). You could also wong a couple of $5 shoes at the Golden Nugget downtown, play till the count goes negative, then walk, and go to $20 or 2x$15 if the count gets juicy.

Altogether, you are totally underbankrolled for even the cheapest joints in town.

Sorry.

--Mayor

 

[Abraham de Moivre]

Take Thee To The Western.

Western Hotel and Casino (go in the day time only, please).
Five $1 single deck, H17, NDAS tables.

You can spread $1 to $5. It is fun to play silver, and hear the plink-plink of the dollar tokens. Plus you might actually get told "No More Blackjack"! Something fun to tell your friends.

 

[Ed Tice]

Mayor,

Why do you think that $400 is too low for a session BR? Obviously it is too low for a total bankroll, but if he's willing to risk all of it on one session (and replenish it from a real job), then isn't it mathematically the same?

I usually play red chips and don't carry much more than $500 to the casino. If it goes below $200 I'll hit the ATM for another $400. If I hit $200 again I would consider it a terrible losing streak and quit for the day.

I do this just because at my level of play (red 1:6 - 1:10), getting mugged to the tune of a few thousand would wipe out my entire EV!

Am I missing something here? It seems to me that $400 is an acceptable session bankroll for a $5 1:6 player if it is treated as just a part of a larger bankroll (and that larger bankroll really exists)

Ed

 

[eyesfor21]

Vegas.

start off at the golden gate..with the odd 5-40
you want to make some dollars you have to go a little larger than
normal

then go around the downtown area/,its fun.

 

[Sonny]

> Why do you think that $400 is too low for a session BR? Obviously it is too
> low for a total bankroll, but if he's willing to risk all of it on one
> session (and replenish it from a real job), then isn't it mathematically the
> same?
>

You are right. However, most players think in terms of Total Bankrolls instead of Session Bankrolls for Risk Of Riun purposes. I also play reds ($5-$40) or silver ($2-$40). My Session Bankroll is only about $100, although I will play through a $200 loss if conditoins are good.

> Am I missing something here? It seems to me that $400 is an acceptable
> session bankroll for a $5 1:6 player if it is treated as just a part of a
> larger bankroll (and that larger bankroll really exists).

People always like to give advice about ROR because it is such and important and misunderstood aspect of advantage play. In fact, $400 is a perfectly acceptable TOTAL bankroll for a player who doesn't mind a 90% ROR. As long as you have a replenishable BR you may not mind risking it all on one session if it means possibly hitting the big score!

The level of risk that a player chooses to accept is their own decision. Nobody can tell you what the "right" amount of money is. The Mayor is just making sure that people realize what they are getting themselves into. Far too many players run off to a casino with whatever money they have, thinking that they have the advantage and can only win money. Many of those players will lose it all, then come home and post all sorts of upset messages about how "counting doesn't work" or how they were "cheated" by the dealers.

The family here at CC.Com is just trying to protect it's members. In the end, the choices you make are your own, and you must live with the consequences. We just want to make sure that everybody is making well-informed decisions.

God, I sound like my father!

-Sonny-

 

[Sonny]

"Golden" casinos

>start off at the golden gate..with the odd 5-40

You can still (sometimes) find a $3 game there, and also at the Gold Sp!ke. The Gold Coast also offers a decent $3 DD game (with the right dealer). Your best bet is definately downtown.

-Sonny-

 

[NorCalBJ]

Thanks

Thanks to Mayor and Sonny and everyone else. And just to put it out there, 400 is just my bankroll for the weekend FOR BJ. It is part of a larger total bankroll that I use at my home casino, and am leaving at home. But in Vegas, we will be playing poker as well, and maybe even leaking a little to craps(we can't get sloshed when counting cards or playing hold em, so that is for craps), and hitting up some clubs. So we won't be playing BJ for the whole weekend. It will be just part of the weekend. So I am comfortable with 400, knowing the reality of what could happen to it.
But I am really thankful for the advice. I really appreciate the comment about looking out for each other. Thanks for doing that.
24 hours until Vegas!!!
Thanks all.

 

[Stealth Bomber]

Just a little more advise

Stick to BJ. 'Cause everything else is just a role of the dice, (gambling). Makes no sense. When you become perfect at bj, you'll know it's the only thing to do in a casino. Unless of course they give $ or some kind of playing comp to play the other games. Or instead of playing the other games, just go and see "Crazy Girls" if it's still at the Riviera. Good stuff if you're are man. ;-)

Stealth

 

[phantom007]

Stay Home!

$400. is not an adequate B/R for much more than Nickel slots, especially if you are going to try to play other games besides $1-2 BJ, and ESPECIALLY Poker, with a very high Variance/Swing potential.

IMHO.

phantom0o7.

 

[learning to count]

Re: Stay Home!

Doc you crackme up..."stay home!" Thats good! You all ways make me laugh! You are direct but honest. Nickleslots hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!