Random Observations

revereman

Well-Known Member
Player staying on A-3, all players lose because of it.
Player wanting to split 10's against dealer's 5 (actually the right move because of the count but this guy was NOT a counter). The other players almost killed him. He didn't do it, to everyone's benefit.
Player hits 13 vs dealer's 5, dealer gets 21 instead of busting.
Player doubling 12-14 against any dealer's hand and winning every hand. (about 10 in all).
It's a crazy game.
50 unit win in 8 hours. Could have really been a good day if I didn't lost 10 max bets in a row. Overall, winning is better than losing but it's a scary rollercoaster.
 

The Mayor

Well-Known Member
There is no point

So people varied from basic strategy, so what? It has no long term effect on your edge, and you know it.

On any given day, the ploppies may help or hurt you, but it all evens out. What the ploppies do is a wash (except when the correct dealer errors that help you or ruin penetration, or ask you about counting at the table).

What's your point?

--Mayor
 

revereman

Well-Known Member
Re: There is no point

The point is that anything can happen in a casino and players should be prepared for it. You are right that player "mistakes" even out in the long run BUT they sure can hurt in the short run. It's small consolation when you lose a large bet due to a player mistake (in anybody's book--let's say standing on A-3) knowing that over the next 100 million hands you will get that money back. I guess the real point of my message is that I WON. Sorry my post didn't exude my usual profundity.
 

Abraham de Moivre

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There could be a point.

The best way to avoid heat is to blend in with the ploppies.

The best way to blend in with the ploppies is to act and talk like them.

The best way to act and talk like a ploppy can only be learned by direct observation, or listening to the stories of ploppy actions and speech.

"To know them is to love them". -- Always remember: Don't mess with the flow!
 

Rob McGarvey

Well-Known Member
Re: There could be a point.

Your are so right. As advantage players, we were never the type to do as the in crowd did. To get into lieing contests, my bankroll is bigger than your bankroll is, my car i faster than yours is type of BS. We are also not complainers, believe that Murphy's Law holds the universe together, get too drunk, or act a fool. It's time for you to enjoy your feelings for the less than gifted, the human ofal that fills the world with tax payers, losers, and IQ deprived. Try on one of their personalities for a change. Pull it on like a greasy pair of hip waders and have a good laugh at them. Love the person but hate what they have let themselves become. Have you ever told someone "listen to yourself!" trying to get them to see how stupid they are? Have you ever mimicked them to get your point across?? This is your chance to show them how totally stupid they can be! Use your imagination and become a better version of your favorite loser at the table. If they have been out of work for 6 months, you've been out of work for 6 years. They only reason you can play is because on your last 25 cent piece you won the MegaMillions, which is impossible, but makes you look totally stupid, the type of player they love to have at the table. Argue up and down that the 3 wheel 3 dollar machine took your quarter somehow, maybe you were drunk at the time, but you won. Ever had quintuple bypass surgery? WELL! They take your entire heart out of your chest and frig with it with a soldering iron so that it doesn't skip a beat anymore. Take their hand and put it on your check and say SEE? You'll have so much fun I'll bet your forget to count for a while. Hell instead of doing a bathroom -TC pee break, stay and have fun man!! You'll laugh your ass off all the way to the cage. Find the biggest complainer and out do them. Find the biggest liar and out lie them. Find the so called richest player and out rich them. Even your woman has bigger ta tas than Dolly Parton, a bigger backside than J-Lo, and a V10 instead of a six pack for a tum tum. They've found a more precious metal than gold or platinum and you happen to have a patent on it and a 51% share in the only company that is allowed to mine for it. Man, you have to be really OUTHERE to make it work for you.

Remember it is just an act. It can be so powerful it may take over you totally. That's how professional con men get started out. They find that they can fool people with unbelieveable stories, and find a way to lie the money out of their pockets and into yours.
 

BradRod

Well-Known Member
Re: There could be a point.

Very well put rob. I have been experimenting with that sort of table personna and find it incredibly effective, aside from the scrutiny that it seems defelct it also gets me off of being totally focused on not losing my count , guarding my concenteation. Lets me have fun while i am playing and i am finding that my game does not suffer.

I evem have allowed myself to have a couple of drinks. Sublimating my fear of being obvious lets me play fearlessly. i used to cringe at the behavior of ploppies for fear of violating my own playing truths. Now I embrace it and try to mimick it.

There is a ploppy ratinale to explain nearly every play strategy of the AP. It is just a matter of owning it. The beautiful thing is that ploppies do not even recognize the contradictory nature of some of their rationales. So, you can easily vary your play and rationale without having to justify anything. just make them think you are doing it for the good of the table and they will forgive anything. I beleive that if you get the ploppies going with you the house will forgive almost anything.

Along these lines -- while playing over the weekend at a particularly friendly and not too irritating table. I was chatting it up with the other players and the dealer. cracking jokes, trying to do ploppy things.. asking advice about plays, strategies, etc. one player was about to describe a tv show,, and says to me. you probably dont watch any tv. I was surprised and asked why would you say that ? He answered " You look too smart. I guess my hunter camoflague cap, 4days growth and NASCAR t-shirt didnt fool him,. I will have to work on that. ( i happen to love 3rd rock from the sun )
 

SammyBoy

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Re: There could be a point.

Great points Brad and Rob. You guys have hit the nail on the head as far as what I try to do at the table. If you will notice, the average ploppy is there to drink and have fun. They don't seem to care if they lose as long as they have someone there to listen to how great and wonderful they are. There are many different ploppy personalities we can choose from. I think the key is to pick one that you can pull off convincingly. I've also allowed myself to have a few drinks to blend in with the crowd. We have to know our limits of course.
 

phantom007

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Camo. Jacket and NASCAR t-shirt....

I believe it was Ian Anderson who wrote to the effect of: "If you are going to act an act, be ready to play the act." For example, if you acting the part of a plumber on vacation (plumbers would not be playing anything less than black), then you better have a few callouses, and be prepared to answer, at least somewhat correctly, lots of questions about toilets, leaky faucets, etc.

If your camo. coat and NASCAR shirt did not fool the ploppy, maybe you overlooked something. Leave your Rolex on??? Ordered white wine spritzer??? Girlfriend weigh less than 300 lbs??? DO YOU STILL HAVE TEETH???

Toothless GRIN!

phantom007.
 

Jim2

Member
Re: Camo. Jacket and NASCAR t-shirt....

Unfortunately, I don't watch TV and find it hard to act like I do. There are a lot of programs on TV that I don't even know exist. I was also told at a table that "you don't probably watch TV". I don't know what that comment means, except that I didn't take part in the tables discussion of some TV program that I had never watched.

I think that the lack of tv viewing is looked on as a mark of a person that is not "one of the crowd". Talking about TV is really hard to fake. I am sure that this hurts cover.

I do watch sports and try to talk about that.
 

BradRod

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Re: Camo. Jacket and NASCAR t-shirt....

when asked about it, i actually said your right i dont watch tv but that is only because i spend all my time playing blackjack
 
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