RC/TC conversion & the cut cards

[rdorange]

When you are counting down a shoe game with six decks or more, and you are ready to convert your RC to a TC, do you include the cards behind the cut card? How are these cards handled? If they cut off one deck +/-, do you divide by the whole say four decks left to deal or the four decks plus the one deck behind the cut card? I hope I asked that right! :joker:

 

[sagefr0g]

When you are counting down a shoe game with six decks or more, and you are ready to convert your RC to a TC, do you include the cards behind the cut card? How are these cards handled? If they cut off one deck +/-, do you divide by the whole say four decks left to deal or the four decks plus the one deck behind the cut card? I hope I asked that right! :joker:

you need to consider all of the undealt cards when you start off with a freshly dealt shoe. that does include the cards behind the cut card.
if starting from a shoe that has already been partially dealt then you need to consider all unseen cards.
in both cases you are actually using all the unseen cards to determine your divisor.
best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[rdorange]

Low count, no need to convert?

Another question....
Early in the shoe or deck, when the running count is low, is there any need to worry about conversion? I mean if the low count is divided by as many decks that remain, the TC will always be so small, there is no need to worry about raised bets, correct. At what point do you start considering conversion? Is there more advantage to keep track of the rising count or the decreasing cards?

 

[Sonny]

I mean if the low count is divided by as many decks that remain, the TC will always be so small, there is no need to worry about raised bets, correct.

That's true. If the running count is negative then the TC will also be negative. Whenever the RC is negative you will be making a minimum bet so it really doesn't matter how negative it is. However, you may need to know the TC in order to make certain playing decisions like hitting 12 vs. 4-6. But as far as betting purposes you really don't need to know the TC when the RC is negative or zero.

-Sonny-

 

[ortango]

Another question....
Early in the shoe or deck, when the running count is low, is there any need to worry about conversion? I mean if the low count is divided by as many decks that remain, the TC will always be so small, there is no need to worry about raised bets, correct. At what point do you start considering conversion? Is there more advantage to keep track of the rising count or the decreasing cards?

Yes, especially on 8d and 6d you will not find an advantage before several rounds have been played out on most occasions, and conversion is really not necessary at that point. It is generally accepted to start raising at +2 TC, as with +1 you still may be even with the casino or worse due to standard deviation of most counting systems and bad rules.

 

[sagefr0g]

Another question....
Early in the shoe or deck, when the running count is low, is there any need to worry about conversion? I mean if the low count is divided by as many decks that remain, the TC will always be so small, there is no need to worry about raised bets, correct. At what point do you start considering conversion? Is there more advantage to keep track of the rising count or the decreasing cards?

it is ok to not bother with tc conversion early in the shoe as long as your rc is obviously to you so low that dividing it by the appropriate divisor will not indicate an increased tc. however you may want to wong out if the tc gets negative beyond a certain point even if it is early in the shoe. so if you start getting a rc that is so low that you suspect it will yield a negative tc that represents your wong out point you will want to go ahead and make the calculation.

best regards,
mr fr0g