Re-splitting Aces in PA

[ArcticInferno]

Here’re some quotes from the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board.

“A player may split one more pair if the second card dealt is
identical in value to a card of the split pair, for a total of
three hands.”

“A player splitting aces may only have one card dealt to each
ace and may not elect to receive additional cards.”

Here’s the URL.
http://www.pabulletin.com/secure/data/vol40/40-8/323.html

Depending on how you interpret the text, the Aces may be
re-split or not.
Only one card is dealt to an Ace, so hitting or doubling down
is prohibited.
However, if another Ace comes out, then the re-splitting option
supersedes the matter regarding hitting or doubling down.
Or does it?

Some PA casinos allow re-splitting of Aces, while most don’t.
Is this something worth investigating into or fighting for?
Remember, receiving three Aces is something that would occur
at high counts when large wagers are made, so the impact of
this rule affects AP’s much more than an average basic
strategy player.

 

[Jack_Black]

“A player may split one more pair if the second card dealt is
identical in value to a card of the split pair, for a total of
three hands.”

“A player splitting aces may only have one card dealt to each
ace and may not elect to receive additional cards.”

Here’s the URL.
http://www.pabulletin.com/secure/data/vol40/40-8/323.html

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You also forgot to add the title of section C, which these subsections belong to:

 (c) After a second card is dealt to each split pair hand, the dealer shall announce the point total of the hand and the player shall indicate his decision to stand, draw or double down with respect that hand except that:

 (1) A player may split one more pair if the second card dealt is identical in value to a card of the split pair, for a total of three hands. A player may not split another identical value pair.

 (2) A player splitting aces may only have one card dealt to each ace and may not elect to receive additional cards.

 

[ArcticInferno]

Is surrender allowed after splitting a pair?
For example:
Split 9's against the dealer's 9 and receive a 7 for total of 16.
Can the 16 be surrendered?

By they way, Sugarhouse allows re-splitting of Aces.
Does that mean that each casino can optionally allow
favorable rules as long as patrons don't complain?
LOL!

 

[sabre]

Surrender after split occurs so infrequently that its really not worth thinking about.

Resplitting aces is a very valuable rule for a counter. However, the wording in the posted documents seems to indicate that resplitting aces should not be permitted. I would not bring this rule up to gaming, as the likely outcome is to have RSA removed from the casinos currently allowing it.

 

[Jack_Black]

Is surrender allowed after splitting a pair?
For example:
Split 9's against the dealer's 9 and receive a 7 for total of 16.
Can the 16 be surrendered?

By they way, Sugarhouse allows re-splitting of Aces.
Does that mean that each casino can optionally allow
favorable rules as long as patrons don't complain?
LOL!

It looks like a no. but in america, you can always sue if you don't have things going your way.

"All decisions to surrender shall be made prior to the player indicating whether he wishes to double down as permitted under § 549.11 (relating to Double Down Wager), split pairs as permitted under § 549.12 (relating to splitting pairs), stand or draw permitted under § 549.13 (relating to drawing of additional cards by players and the dealer)."

Also, No, casinos can't pick and choose which laws to follow. Even though bj has one of the best odds for a player in a casino, a store has to apply and go through a process to get this game in their store. So with that logic, even if they offered a better rule to players, they would be in violation. However, this is america, and the law can be interpreted in many ways, especially by jackass judges that want to be hard noses and screw you in the long run. (I've had many run ins with unfair judges)

better just keep the good rules to yourself, and not alert an agent about it.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

You also forgot to add the title of section C, which these subsections belong to:

 (c) After a second card is dealt to each split pair hand, the dealer shall announce the point total of the hand and the player shall indicate his decision to stand, draw or double down with respect that hand except that:

 (1) A player may split one more pair if the second card dealt is identical in value to a card of the split pair, for a total of three hands. A player may not split another identical value pair.

 (2) A player splitting aces may only have one card dealt to each ace and may not elect to receive additional cards.

Part (2) just tells me you cannot draw to split aces, which is universal. A prohibition on resplitting aces should be included in Part (1). Poor writing.

It may or may not be worth a fight. Unlike LS, RSA has no benefit to the casinos, because even ploppies know to split aces. But RSA is also worth less to a counter than LS. We could fight for RSA, and a judge would take our side, and then the casinos could go to the legislature to get the law amended to remove RSA. But at the same time they are balking at LS, and as long as they are at the capitol building slushing their money around, they might as well get rid of the LS too. So anything that prompts the casinos to revisit these laws could end up trashing an otherwise decent game.

 

[rrwoods]

But at the same time they are balking at LS, and as long as they are at the capitol building slushing their money around, they might as well get rid of the LS too. So anything that prompts the casinos to revisit these laws could end up trashing an otherwise decent game.

Couldn't say it better. Leave RSA alone! It's not worth it.

 

[tensplitter]

Does Sugar House have late surrender yet? I'm not going to play there until it does since I have that option at Parx.