Repost from www.bj21.com

The Mayor

Well-Known Member
The following was posted by Al Rogers on www.bj21.com on their "Green Pages". I am reposting it with permission:

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Better Blackjack Bureau -- educating the public -- Al Rogers -- 19 February 04, 3:13 p.m

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DO NOT PLAY BLACKJACK THAT PAYS ONLY 6 TO 5

Most visitors to casinos play blackjack or other games for entertainment, and do not thoroughly study the games. While there is always a chance of winning in the short run, it has been said that the built-in casino advantage is the "price of the entertainment" for the recreational player. But with the 6/5 short payoffs on blackjacks, the price is too high.

Let's assume you go to a movie once a month, and pay $8.00 for a ticket. Suddenly, the theatre increases its ticket price to $64.00. Would you still go to that theatre, when other similar theatres would charge you only $8.00? Or would you take your business to one of the $8.00 theatres? By playing single deck blackjack that pays only 6 to 5 on blackjacks, you are doing the same thing as patronizing the $64.00 theatre.

The casinos are taking unfair advantage of the myth among casual blackjack players that "single deck games always offer better odds for the players." This is simply NOT true with the 6 to 5 game. Normal blackjacks pay 7 ½ to 5, or more commonly referred to as 3 to 2. The house advantage on a normal single deck game is 0.18%. The 6 to 5 game has a house advantage of 1.45%, more than eight times the advantage the casino has on a normal single deck game

The house edge in a normal six-deck shoe is about 0.63%, much worse for the player than a normal single deck, but not nearly as bad as the single deck 6 to 5 ripoff game.

This isn't merely a matter of shuffling incomprehensible numbers around. Stanford Wong, author of Professional Blackjack, explains: "The math is easy. If the player gets paid 3/2 on a blackjack on a $10 bet, the player gets paid $15. If the player gets paid 6/5 on a $10 bet, he gets paid only $12 for a blackjack. That is a difference of $3, which might not seem like much. During a normal-speed blackjack game, the player averages five blackjacks per hour, meaning the player is shorted 1.5 bets per hour. In the case of a $10 bettor, he is being shorted $15 per hour!" (Las Vegas Weekly, 10/23/03)

UNLV professor Bill Thompson, who studies gaming issues, said, " This is incredibly stupid. Everybody knows blackjacks pay 3-2. Unless they're giving out free bottles of whiskey to everyone who sits down at the table, I don't know why anybody would play this game." (Las Vegas Sun, 11/13/03)

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OTHER BLACKJACK GAMES TO AVOID

Continuous shuffling machines

These nasty devices require the dealer to insert the used cards from each round back into the machine, instead of using a discard tray as is normally done. The effect is that of playing against a virtually infinite deck. Every round is played "off the top of the deck," when there is a 100% chance that the unskilled player is at a severe disadvantage. Also, because there is never a break for shuffling, the machine increases the speed of the game by about 20%, so the typical player will lose 20% more money in the same amount of playing time, or lose all of his or her money 20% faster.

Fake double deck or fake single deck games

The dealer will hold one or two decks in his or her hand, but it is really a five to eight-deck game being shuffled every deck or less. There usually is a sign on the table that reads "Hand-Held Multi-Deck Game," though the casino will frequently try to hide the sign behind ashtrays or other objects on the table.

Superfun 21

This is the only game among the four discussed herein that can be beaten by a skilled advantage player. However, it takes an entirely different set of strategy numbers and plays than does normal blackjack. The house advantage is .94%, if using Superfun 21 basic strategy. If played like normal blackjack, it is much worse.

Frequently dealers and pit personnel will lie, telling an unsuspecting tourist that this game can be played "like regular blackjack," but it cannot. If this game is played like regular blackjack, expect to lose and lose very quickly.

JUST SAY NO TO ANY AND ALL OF THESE RIPOFF GAMES. DO NOT PLAY.

This information presented as a public service by www.BJ21.com, the leading source of blackjack information.
 

Felix Rue-de-Guerre

Well-Known Member
Maybe I should be posting this on Green Chip, but while I'm here...

This flyer contains Al Rogers name and a link to BJ21. Flyers can be annoying and I'm sure even illegal.

When Al Rogers posted this on GC there were a few reasonable responses concerning it's length, and then some people started arguing and I lost interest in the thread. Was it ever established if or how this thing should be distributed? Maybe this deserves some clarification.

Thanks,
-Felix
 

Abraham de Moivre

Well-Known Member
Have you ever been to the Strip? You have people pushing Porn Flyers in your face every 10 feet. A blackjack flyer illegal?

OH wait a minute... We are talking about Las Vegas, and Ashcroft is still Atty. General, and the Patriot Act is ...

Nevermind. Forget I said anything.
 

Felix Rue-de-Guerre

Well-Known Member
Is all the litter created by those people flyering hookers legal?, or just tolerated? I don't think it would be a good idea to illegaly distribute something with "Al Rogers" and "BJ21" printed on it. Even if it's tolerated.

I know for sure I'm not going to be SEEN distributing them. But I would help in some inconspicuous, legal and tasteful way. I am just uncertain how to do this.

-Felix
 

Abraham de Moivre

Well-Known Member
No, it isn't "tolerated". I am sure all those large Corporations that own casinos would love to get rid of the porn hustlers, especially when they were on the "family-friendly place to bring the kids" Vegas kick. I think they have tried in the past, and got hit with freedom of speech type lawsuits.

The under the dome downtown is lacking the porn because they managed to jump thru some legal hoops and technically it is quasi-private property belonging to the Freemont Street Experience organization.

Although this has been fought, I think some religious groups would like to set up camp right in the middle of Fremont Street and tell you about how gambling is a sin or some such.

Like I said, public property in America, there are still some feeble remains of some things like Freedom of the Press, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly.
Give the politicians time, another Patriot Act should remove these last roadblocks to total Corporate control.
 

deZerTomB

Active Member
there was some bible thumpers with signs at fremont last week or so, I didn't think much of it.

A billboard ought to do it, "I won $2000 legally at where ever & was told to never come back.
 

deZerTomB

Active Member
They offer 6:5 single deck because people will play it. Maybe a billboard that says the house edge is 8 times greater in 6:5 single deck, educate the poor ploppies.

(Dead link: http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/8062357.htm)
 

Al Rogers

BJ21.com Administrator
Billboards are expensive *LINK*

$90,000.00 to buy one, $1,000.00 per month to lease it, in a location well away from the Strip.
 

deZerTomB

Active Member
ok, I know stealth & sun runner were talking about this on bj21.com about how to raise money & what to do with it to save the game of blackjack. here's a couple ideas.

1. Use the green chip party. Either raise dues, add voluntary donation, or take a part of the profits. Stanford Wong would need to be on board.

2. Start another web page, org and make it a non profit and treat problem gamblers. Hold a class once a week like gamblers anonymous, host a 1-800 number for problem gamblers, then the money would come from the casinos themselves in the form of taxes paid into these programs through the govt. haha.

Sounds like a lot of work. Let me know I'll be playing blackjack, if I can find a decent game,hehe.

Don't worry, competition is the key. Casinos in Miss. are using monopolistic tactics. short term profit over long term goodwill. In a few years even the players in Miss. will burn out on 6:5 after they learn the hard way. hehe.

Just my 3 cents. What were we talking about anyway?

As long as people like you & I are willing to go out of our way to find a good game of blackjack, then someone will offer it somewhere.

I'm just now discovering the outlying casinos in LV & have my sights set on mesquite & reno.
 

Stealth Bomber

Well-Known Member
Thanks for reading my posts on the issue. It is however, certainly not without opposition and fear.

It's quite a simple idea though: We reward the casinos that are good and we penalize the casinos that are bad. I think it must go both ways. It's based on their gaming rules, comps, service and treatment of the patrons. It's all done very professionally through different forms of media, i.e. billboards, Internet sites/newsletters, magazines, flyers, and maybe even picketing. It will take some wizardry, $ and effort for its success. Though I don't believe this can be just about us card counters trying to force the casinos into having to do what ever we desire.

SB
 
Flyers at FSE

I read somewhere that the porn slappers, et al have won the right to flyer the public under the FSE canopy now. It's a nuisance, yes, but I'm not a big fan of trashing peoples civil rights over some paper advertisements. It's also my right to ignore these folks, or (as i have done to the neo-nazi bible thumpers) argue with them in public to express my opinions and assert my rights to free speech.
 
Re: Flyers at FSE

Well yes, leafletting in itself is protected under the First Amendment. Political and religious, and informational flyers about blackjack are permitted in all circumstances. Treating compulsive gamblers with winning BJ advice might seem like a good idea, but I've talked to some CG's about this and they claim that the game has the same destructive effect on them whether they win or lose. I doubt that this is totally true, but I'm not a CG so I'll have to take their word for it.

The porn out on the street in LV is very questionable because there are minors out there and no one has the right to present a kid with sex talk or materials. If somebody said the things printed on those flyers to a kid he'd be arrested as a pedophile because that is not part of the First Amendment. Even though I like porn and prostitution for myself, I wouldn't want to be out walking in LV with my kid and have him ask me "Daddy, what's a 'hot Asian pu55y'?"
 
Re: Flyers at FSE

I agree that it is mostly inappropriate for minors, and I wish it were not there as much as the casinos, town officials and most of the patronage of LV wish it were not there. The point is that they (the porn peddlers) were banned, took their case to court, and won based on their rights under the Constitution. Perhaps the legislators should be concentrating on the graphic aspects of the situation and force the porn slappers to distribute the paraphenalia in sealed packets, rather than the boldfaced T&A that is displayed. Of course if Janet Jackson can show her nips "Live" to the entire world how can one expect to pass legislation to cover up soft core stuff in LV.

Don't get me wrong I agree with you, but as we pass more laws that restrict our civil rights it has a snowball effect on the way we casually disregard those rights or legislate them away in the future.
 

Felix Rue-de-Guerre

Well-Known Member
Re: Flyers at FSE

I think pictures of boobs are A-O.K. I like boobs. If I had kids, I'd have no problem explaining to them what boobs were, why they are here and how they should be responsibly handled.

It's all that litter that truly offends me.

Also, since this has become a civil rights discussion, and no longer has anything to to with blackjack, I think it should continue on the other message board.

And mostly, I really wish someone would answer my original question. Because, at the risk of exposing my presence, I will be on Freemont Street in a very short period of time. And, if I can, I would love to leave a few flyers laying around.

-Thanks,

-Felix
 
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