tensplitter
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Why do some casinos restrict doubling to 10,11 or 9, 10, 11? There are always idiots who will double 8 or double a stiff or double a pair of aces instead of splitting.
Restricted doubling
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StudiodeKadent
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Because casinos don't understand that allowing players to make mistakes actually plays in their own favor.
They are run by risk-averse businesses that want to produce consistent shareholder returns. They aren't aiming to maximize long-term profitability but rather to deliver consistent results.
Doubling restrictions increase the house margin of the game and decrease the beatability of these games. Now, I agree casinos need to make a profit off their games, but unfortunately, some casinos seem to think that the best way to make a profit is to screw all players over the table without any lube.
I should add that doubling restrictions USUALLY only occur in Australia, Europe and on single-deck games in the US. In the former two markets there is no competition.
If you want to keep DA2 around, write letters to casinos you like and ask them to keep liberal rules. Additionally, you might want to recommend liberal rules casinos to non-AP friends. Finally, you might want to AP less agressively at liberal rules casinos... if they offer a good game then they deserve some fiscal recognition for it.
They are run by risk-averse businesses that want to produce consistent shareholder returns. They aren't aiming to maximize long-term profitability but rather to deliver consistent results.
Doubling restrictions increase the house margin of the game and decrease the beatability of these games. Now, I agree casinos need to make a profit off their games, but unfortunately, some casinos seem to think that the best way to make a profit is to screw all players over the table without any lube.
I should add that doubling restrictions USUALLY only occur in Australia, Europe and on single-deck games in the US. In the former two markets there is no competition.
If you want to keep DA2 around, write letters to casinos you like and ask them to keep liberal rules. Additionally, you might want to recommend liberal rules casinos to non-AP friends. Finally, you might want to AP less agressively at liberal rules casinos... if they offer a good game then they deserve some fiscal recognition for it.
Blue Efficacy
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The only people who use LS are APs and true BS players. Every once in a while I see surrender being misused, but I doubt it makes up for the cost of the players who know how to use it.
For the most part surrender is ignored by players.
For the most part surrender is ignored by players.
tensplitter
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There are many players that don't ever surrender, even 16 vs 10.
creeping panther
Banned
Restricted double's
This is actually good for the player as it is risk averse feature and you will lose less money. The casino in this case is looking out for your welfare as they only allow you to double when you are strongest.
CP
This is actually good for the player as it is risk averse feature and you will lose less money. The casino in this case is looking out for your welfare as they only allow you to double when you are strongest.
CP
zengrifter
Banned
Not only would LS make more money for house,21forme said:
it would enhance the casino's ability to ID APs. zg
zengrifter
Banned
And the white man is always looking out for Native Americans, too. zgcreeping panther said:This is actually good for the player as it is risk averse feature and you will lose less money. The casino in this case is looking out for your welfare as they only allow you to double when you are strongest.
Automatic Monkey
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Like most rules, it's a tradeoff. Casinos seem to budget their games for non-counting basic strategy players, who barely even exist. But for any rule or bet there are still far more players who will misuse it than use it to their advantage and LS is the big one, offering little advantage with proper BS use and a big casino advantage when misplayed.
The only exception is RSA, which is a freebie for the players because even ploppies know to split and resplit aces.
The only exception is RSA, which is a freebie for the players because even ploppies know to split and resplit aces.
Instead of talking about how AP's can change game conditions(if casino's hear anything AP's have to say they will only use it against us despite what it cost's them to do so), I think we should focus on protecting our games and beating them however they are offered. Isn't that how it's always been?
Blue Efficacy
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I don't know why more casinos don't offer RSA, it is a rule that the ploppies absolutely love, at a relatively low cost to the casino.
You take a ploppy that normally plays at a store that allows RSA into a store without, and he won't be happy if that situation comes up!
A local casino several years back was sick of being badgered about not having RSA like it's nearby H17 competitors. They got rid of S17 and added RSA. The players were for the most part happy.
You take a ploppy that normally plays at a store that allows RSA into a store without, and he won't be happy if that situation comes up!
A local casino several years back was sick of being badgered about not having RSA like it's nearby H17 competitors. They got rid of S17 and added RSA. The players were for the most part happy.
aslan
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And of course, it would give APs an opportunity to deceive the casinos into thinking they are just ploppies with their inconsistent use of surrender (according to the count). If the casino is looking so close at you that they know when the count is right for altering surrender decisions, you were already caught for raising your bet when the count went positive. You know and I both know that the average pit crew does not have a clue what the count is, and just observing that some people surrender and some people do not, tells them nothing. Insurance is a much better tell, but the best tell of all remains bet spreading in positive counts.zengrifter said:
The ultimate LS junkie
Played a few days ago and Asian woman next to me was surrendering EVERYTHING except 18,19, and 20 against a dealer T (yes, even 17 and hard 7, etc.) She was making almost as egregious plays against 9 and A as well. She could be the poster child for why all casinos should offer LS.
Played a few days ago and Asian woman next to me was surrendering EVERYTHING except 18,19, and 20 against a dealer T (yes, even 17 and hard 7, etc.) She was making almost as egregious plays against 9 and A as well. She could be the poster child for why all casinos should offer LS.
What percentage of the players that you've observed, play their soft doubles correctly? Practically none! The typical ploppy insists on soft doubling with A/3, A/4 and A/5 against a 3 all day long (all negative EV plays) -- but won't double with A/7 against a 3 or 4 (both solid gainers), just to name a standout few.Mr. T said:
Fact is, the average player cannot distinguish between A/5 against a 3 and A/3 against a 5 -- they both look like the same hand. It's quite possible give more away by soft doubling poorly than if you never soft doubled at all. I've seen casinos decide to put in a double deck pitch game to attract customers, then make the mistake of believing they're compensating at the bottom line by disallowing soft doubles -- when soft doubling just gives the true ploppy more rope to hang himself with. I think it's inane for the casinos to disallow it. But I guess it's because the book says soft doubling can gain the player a tenth percent -- if he soft doubles correctly.
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Welcome back Fred. Haven't seen you for awhile.Renzey said:
You are absolutely correct
Less than 1% play BS. I remember one old lady playing on the same table as me. I had A7 against dealer 4. I hesitated on the play. She ask me what I was waiting for. I told her this is a double down card. She got so mad with me she walk off the table. And this was after I stand on the hand. This was out of defference to her being much older than me.
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