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Dopple

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No this is not the Bible study group, just a catchy title.

How I lived without the Casino Verite program for 20 years playing this game with heart and soul I do not know.

More than just learning how to improve my play I just caught a major error in my play that I have overlooked all this time.

The table .....for dealer hitting soft 17..... are skewed on the hit/stand table from what is a normal step ladder kind (sort of) progression. This alone is worth what 200, 700 how many dollars in understanding moreso than EV.

Mr Qfit was kind enough to straighten me out on this matter.

I love this game and love the CVBJ also. Thanks Qfit.

I thought of something to add to this post and dont want to post again and seem like a post bore.

According to Uston the modifications for H17 include dropping 12-16 vs. 6 from -1,-5,-8,-12,-14 to the lower values of -9,-10,-15,-21,-23 so it would take even more low cards in the deck to get down to the point you would try and improve against 6 with H17 rule in place. I would think since the dealer had a better chance of improving his up 6 with H17 you would be ..... more.... likely to try and improve that 12-16 than less likely. What am I missing here?
 
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moo321

moo321

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Dopple said:
No this is not the Bible study group, just a catchy title.

How I lived without the Casino Verite program for 20 years playing this game with heart and soul I do not know.

More than just learning how to improve my play I just caught a major error in my play that I have overlooked all this time.

The table .....for dealer hitting soft 17..... are skewed on the hit/stand table from what is a normal step ladder kind (sort of) progression. This alone is worth what 200, 700 how many dollars in understanding moreso than EV.

Mr Qfit was kind enough to straighten me out on this matter.

I love this game and love the CVBJ also. Thanks Qfit.

I thought of something to add to this post and dont want to post again and seem like a post bore.

According to Uston the modifications for H17 include dropping 12-16 vs. 6 from -1,-5,-8,-12,-14 to the lower values of -9,-10,-15,-21,-23 so it would take even more low cards in the deck to get down to the point you would try and improve against 6 with H17 rule in place. I would think since the dealer had a better chance of improving his up 6 with H17 you would be ..... more.... likely to try and improve that 12-16 than less likely. What am I missing here?
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I think you're missing the fact that negative indices that occur at -14 aren't worth knowing. You shouldn't ever be on the table at -14.
 
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Blue Efficacy

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moo321 said:
I think you're missing the fact that negative indices that occur at -14 aren't worth knowing. You shouldn't ever be on the table at -14.
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I disagree. You should qualify that by saying "under normal circumstances."
 
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Dopple

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Thanks Peaegg

I thought this post would not get answered. Good points from all but I appreciate your link Peaegg because you got me up to speed on H17 11 v A. I have been too high on that index number and look forward to more double in that situation. The eleven v the ace is kind of an interesting power struggle.

You guys/gals are great.
 
moo321

moo321

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Blue Efficacy said:
I disagree. You should qualify that by saying "under normal circumstances."
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Even if you set your wong-out point at the horrendously low and almost pointless level of -5, you would still probably never make any money using that index in the real world. Maybe every few years you would get just past the index, so you would save a single percent of your minimum bet.

You're better of playing roulette than sticking around for a -14 count.

I can't even think of "abnormal" circumstances where that index would be useful. If you were playing a $100 minimum table it might make you a buck a year.
 
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