Revised Interview - Roulette

zengrifter

Banned
The revised interview contains some previously omitted material, most notably this -

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Didn't you once work with a roulette computer crew?
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Not a crew, actually, I did some post-prototype R&D with UNLV physics professor Harry Fechter. I met Harry on a fluke when he called me and introduced himself as "the guy who built the hidden blackjack computer" that Eddie Seremba had been wearing when he was pulled up at the Frontier and then hit the newspaper a few days previously. The year was 1977 and I had run a biz-opp ad in the Las Vegas Sun looking for backers. Harry remarked that "even with a computer the edge is so small at blackjack," and that he had something more powerful.

I was familiar with the theory of computer-aided roulette prediction from Thorp's revised Beat The Dealer, Allan Wilson's Casino Gambling Guide, and Richard Epstein's Theory of Gambling and Statistical Logic. Theory held that such a computer could achieve a 40% edge over American roulette! I guessed right and was invited to meet the good doctor.

I met Harry at his nearby home and he gave me a tour of his garage laboratory - among his inventions were a card deck-sized dead car battery starter, a solid-state no moving parts refrigeration chest, a couple of blackjack computers, and the object of my visit... a city phone book-sized second generation roulette computer! I asked this local outstanding scientist why he would be dabbling with these cutting-edge commercial projects, what with his busy UNLV academic schedule and 'CTSA' (cosmic-top-secret-atomic) clearance consulting at the nearby Mercury nuclear test site. He lamented that after his son died a few years previously he realized what he really wanted in life, "to make a great deal of money."

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So he had a yellow pages sized roulette computer? Was it viable?
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He had done an outstanding job of R&Ding the prototype, considering that this was pre-micro electronics. The algorithm it was based on was gleaned from Ed Thorp and Claude Shannon, using his own academic credentials. Prior to roulette, Harry helped fellow UNLV professor Koko Ita develop the Ita 'Green Fountain' count (first generation SilverFox), and he had then built two of the first hidden blackjack computers to be employed successfully.

The roulette computer, as Harry had developed it, was intended for one person to deploy - slung with a strap over one shoulder under a coat, one hand in the coat's pocket on a control fob, and an ear-phone delivered Morse-code readout... obviously not practical for actual casino play!

Over a three week period he educated me about biased wheels - the computer exploited a bias that was found in 8 out of 10 wheels: most wheels are not perfectly level, and even being off one-half degree from level would cause the ball to fall from the track at the same spot most of the time. Harry reminded me several times that micro-electronics were just "around the corner" that could produce a third-generation model reduced to cigarette pack size - we envisioned the next-generation miniature with eyeglass mounted micro-switches tripped at the user's temples by jaw clenching!

My job was to re-think/work the application concept - retrofitting a Radio Shack FM transmitter to the audio-based readout - transmitting to a confederate wearing a small transistor radio. And I was to line up the BR.

Anyway, Harry was after all a college professor and he got cold feet. To my knowledge his roulette machine was never successfully put into play.

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ladykiller

Active Member
Very interesting

I am wondering how exactly u calculate how tilted the table is. Is it by when the ball drops, the distance or time it takes before it bounces? Is this used a lot today by pros? More info please. Very interesting.
 

Royam

Well-Known Member
If you're interested in advantage roulette

You might want to check Ian Anderson's "Burning the Tables in LV", pp. 145-147, as he was in such a team.

Royam
 

BlackJackHack

Well-Known Member
Advantage Roulette

My understanding is that the computer-assisted wheel clocking teams entered a variety of variables into a computer, could precisely forecast where the ball would stop, and were able to attain a 40% advantage.

It seems entirely plausible to me that a more modest advantage could be attained by a two-person "manual" wheel clocking team. If the team could locate a croupier who spun the wheel, and tossed the ball, at reasonably consistent rates of speed, you could predict the landing zone with enough accuracy to gain a very modest (1-3%?) advantage. The "spotter" would call the landing zone, and the "bettor" would bet on 9 squares (the predicted landing location, and 4 on each side of the predicted landing location). The keys would be (1) finding a croupier who is consistent (they are trained to vary their speeds), and (2) longevity (it would be hard to do this for very long without being obvious).
 

john

Well-Known Member
How much time do you get for that?

Lets say I was able to make a program on a mini pocket sized computer that exploited the biases of a roulette wheel. I was found out and they found the computer in my pocket. How much time would I get in prison ? I know in Vegas you would get a lot of time but what about other states.
 

zengrifter

Banned
**my responses -

**my responses -

If the team could locate a croupier who spun the wheel, and tossed the ball, at reasonably consistent rates of speed, you could predict the landing zone with enough accuracy to gain a very modest (1-3%?) advantage.

**the computer tech works BECAUSE the ball always falls from the track at the SAME SPEED, regardless of its initial velocity.

The "spotter" would call the landing zone, and the "bettor" would bet on 9 squares (the predicted landing location, and 4 on each side of the predicted landing location).

**this is how the computer calls it to.

**the key is actually the same for your non-computer method - most wheels are biased in that they are not 100% level - even when they are off-level by just 1/2 degree the ball tends to fall from the track at the same spot (the apex) - look for that and you'll see its quite common. zg
 

Smallfry

New Member
This book is right up your alley But if you do the crime.... *LINK*

American Roulette - Richard Marcus
Best read I have had in a while

You may have met "Mr Marcus" at one point or another

Alway get the money (I could not do this)

smallfry
 
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