ROR for 3 Card Poker

[Brock Windsor]

Anyone have info on bet sizing, required BR, and ROR numbers for advantage play 3 card poker? Shackleford says the Standard Deviation is 1.64.
I'm playing with either a 3.48% advantage or sometimes a 3.02% advantage depending on the paytable.
Thanks,
BW

 

[zengrifter]

While we are waiting for the answer, post the strategy here, too. zg

 

[moo321]

For one card seen:

Jack or lower, raise any
Queen, raise any Q9 or better
King, raise any K9
Ace, raise any A9

You should be able to bet at least 1% of your bankroll every hand if you can see the dealer's hole card every hand.

 

[Brock Windsor]

For one card seen:

Jack or lower, raise any
Queen, raise any Q9 or better
King, raise any K9
Ace, raise any A9

You should be able to bet at least 1% of your bankroll every hand if you can see the dealer's hole card every hand.

1% on the ante I presume? (so Ante + Play = 2% total) or 1% total? What is the ROR with that system or is just a guideline? My worst losing session while getting 100% hole card reads was 30 X Ante bet.
BW

 

[Brock Windsor]

I'm new to doing this but here is the numbers I am getting.
A) Assuming 1.64 Standard Deviation on play & Ante bet.
B) edge on play and ante combined is only 55% of your ante advantage.
A&B come from Wizards site.
so 1.66% is the advantage on total amount wagered. (On the 1,3,4 paytable which is what I play most often)

Advantage/std.dev^2 is the % of bankroll to wager so for me that is 0.62% wagered on ante and play combined for each hand. Does this seem rational?
BW
p.s. 0.71% on the 1,4,5 paytable.

 

[aslan]

Anyone have info on bet sizing, required BR, and ROR numbers for advantage play 3 card poker? Shackleford says the Standard Deviation is 1.64.
I'm playing with either a 3.48% advantage or sometimes a 3.02% advantage depending on the paytable.
Thanks,
BW

What exactly are you doing to qualify this game for advantage play?

 

[KenSmith]

The advantage comes from seeing one of the dealer cards.

 

[aslan]

The advantage comes from seeing one of the dealer cards.

Is this a common opportunity, or about as difficult to find as in blackjack?

 

[KenSmith]

A couple of years ago this game was easily found almost everywhere the game is dealt. Casino staff is now much more aware of this, and the game is tighter now.

 

[RJT]

Is there any good litrature on 3CP? Not looking for anything as indepth as Beyond Counting, just a good starting point.

RJT.

 

[nightspirit]

When I remember right someone suggested to read Stanley Ko's "Mastering the Game of Three Card Poker". (Dead link: http://www.shoplva.com/ProductDetail.cfm?ItemNumber=1185)

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

Anyone have info on bet sizing, required BR, and ROR numbers for advantage play 3 card poker? Shackleford says the Standard Deviation is 1.64.
I'm playing with either a 3.48% advantage or sometimes a 3.02% advantage depending on the paytable.
Thanks,
BW

thats a huge advantage

The advantage comes from seeing one of the dealer cards.

can somebody please explain this to me?! why is it so easy to see one of the cards in 3cp??!! to me, hole carding is very rare, about as rare as dealer mispays, which you can rely on, so im confused, can somebody let me know?

 

[Sonny]

why is it so easy to see one of the cards in 3cp??!! to me, hole carding is very rare, about as rare as dealer mispays, which you can rely on, so im confused, can somebody let me know?

The more you practice, the better you get. The better you get, the more opportunities you will find. This is true for any form of advantage play.

-Sonny-

 

[shadroch]

Some dealers are very sloppy. Not a lot but some.Some houses don't stress card protection as much as others.

 

[Brock Windsor]

thats a huge advantage
can somebody please explain this to me?! why is it so easy to see one of the cards in 3cp??!! to me, hole carding is very rare, about as rare as dealer mispays, which you can rely on, so im confused, can somebody let me know?

The advantage is ok, but the higher standard deviation makes ROR considerations more important. As well it is not "so easy". You have to have a lot of tables/dealers to scope out and there is the effect of identification errors you are making. You have to log a lot of time in a casino to be able to identify advantages so that falls under "practice, practice, practice"

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

so then why do people talk as if 3 card poker is easier to hole card on than blackjack? thats my question, if it is easier, why? cards are cards, who cares what game it is, hole carding should be the same at all the games in terms of difficulty right?

 

[RJT]

so then why do people talk as if 3 card poker is easier to hole card on than blackjack? thats my question, if it is easier, why? cards are cards, who cares what game it is, hole carding should be the same at all the games in terms of difficulty right?

Not claiming that i know a lot - or in fact anything - about 3CP, but hole carding is very much dependant on dealing proceedure. It's all about looking for weaknesses in what the dealer does. It is very possible that the movements that the dealer has to make to deal 3CP are more indicitive to the required weaknessess.

RJT.

 

[rdorange]

I Don't get it?

I don't get it? In Bj, if you see the dealers hole card, that is a huge advantage because you also know his up card. That is like I said, HUGE! But in 3card, if you see a hole card, what good does that do you? He has at least two other cards you can't see. You don't know if he qualifies or what unless you see a Queen or better for that one card? What am I missing?

 

[Sonny]

so then why do people talk as if 3 card poker is easier to hole card on than blackjack? thats my question, if it is easier, why? cards are cards, who cares what game it is, hole carding should be the same at all the games in terms of difficulty right?

I believe Ken already answered your question:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=58882#post58882

-Sonny-

 

[moo321]

so then why do people talk as if 3 card poker is easier to hole card on than blackjack? thats my question, if it is easier, why? cards are cards, who cares what game it is, hole carding should be the same at all the games in terms of difficulty right?

No.