Should i be Worried

BlackjackMan312

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I was spreading 1-10 With Black Chips on a 6 Deck Shoe, won over $25,000 in about 1 hour. I won all of my $1000 Bets including some doubles. The Pit Boss told me "Good Job" Something about the way he said that worried me, but should i be worried????? Do you guys think im spreading too much? Should I limit that? Any other cover techniques?
 

shadroch

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If you are winning all of your $1,000 bets,then I'd make that your flat bet,win 5 hands and leave. Don't be greedy.
 

EasyRhino

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I feel you. A few months ago I left a casino after a couple-hour slightly positive session, and the PC said "good job" instead of "good bye". I didn't really know what else to say except "thanks!".

I have a hunch that bosses may say that to lots of people after wins. I mean, I've heard dealers, and even bosses, refer to players as "very good players" even though I've seen first hand that they don't even know BS. You know, the same way you'll see people congratulated on a bonehead play that turns out well. However, I can't recall hearing "good job" or similar said to anyone else.

And I don't have a good response to it either. It would be nice to have something that conveys that you think it was all just dumb luck, without looking defensive.

BJM, in your specific case, I'm guessing $1k was your max bet? In that case, winning $25k looks like a win of around 250 units, which is a lot. Normally you'd think about cutting a session short after accumulating an unseemly win.
 

BlackjackMan312

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I didnt even have to ask, he offered me one, after he said good Job!..I think im going to go back when that pit boss is on duty, and just make a few stupid bets and lose a LITTLE of that $25,000
 

jimbiggs

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BlackjackMan312 said:
I didnt even have to ask, he offered me one, after he said good Job!..I think im going to go back when that pit boss is on duty, and just make a few stupid bets and lose a LITTLE of that $25,000
Why not go back on a different shift and try to win some more money?

After a while you get a sense of pit critter body language. I don't know where you're playing, but at you're betting level you're probably going to get more attention than other players. I think Ihate17 could probably help out here more than me, but I would recommend waiting about a month to go back and play the same shift. Keep your sessions short and work on a good act.

Nice win though. Maybe you'd like to hire a second player to work for you on the weekends. Just let me know ;)
 

BlackjackMan312

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jimbiggs said:
Why not go back on a different shift and try to win some more money?

After a while you get a sense of pit critter body language. I don't know where you're playing, but at you're betting level you're probably going to get more attention than other players. I think Ihate17 could probably help out here more than me, but I would recommend waiting about a month to go back and play the same shift. Keep your sessions short and work on a good act.

Nice win though. Maybe you'd like to hire a second player to work for you on the weekends. Just let me know ;)
Yeah, I gotcha. I mean I didnt see any shuffling up early, The Pen remained the same, I did see PB Action at my table, But as you said that could be just because I had the highest action on the floor. Ill probaly Just go back next Month and see what happens. Right now, Ill get back to relaxing in my luxurious suite :)
 
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ihate17

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Forget the comment "good job"

One of the big So Cal Indian casinos, Pechanga, runs television ads of people having a wonderful time at their hotel, restaurants, slots and table games. On the 5 seconds spent on the blackjack table, one player high fives another player shouting "good job".
Since this has run for a couple of years, I hear it now in other California casinos and sometimes in Vegas, so there is a good chance the pit just picked this up from that and it means nothing special.

My high bet is right around where yours is but I have never had a $25,000 hour, "good job".

You mentioned yours was the biggest action in the place. To me that means your play will be reviewed. Perhaps rerunning your session or as soon as you sit down. The thing about many places that can handle $1,000 bets is that they tend not to show any heat. At your bet level either a pit or the eye on their own will decide to run an evaluation program on you. That tends to take at least 3 shoes and often more, meaning that if they did not start when you first sat down, they may not have finished when you left. Remember if they think you were just a lucky sucker and not an AP, they will encourage your return to their tables.
Now if they re-run your whole session, you may find yourself backed off upon return to the tables. Some places get nasty, kick you out of your free room or upon check out you get a bill when you thought you were RFB.
I tend to not burn out my home hotel. Play hard and nasty at places where I do not stay and make friends, spend more time bs-ing with dealers and pits than actual play time and still get RFB.

So you are probably in blackjack limbo right now. You could hit the same shift, play more conservatively, give the pit a big thankyou for the comp and see what happens. If asked why you are now betting less today, you give them a story. Tell them that you generally lose and winning this much you are going to make sure you take some of it home with you. They hear this from ploppies and high rollers all the time.

You could also hit a different shift, but you can be sure that on shift change, your name was mentioned. Not so much for how much you won but because you were the big player in the house.

When I have a great short session in a casino, I hit the door quickly, leaving them little or nothing to remember me by, write down some notes about the session, such as the dealers, pits, was I using a players card, what I was wearing, what name I was using if using an alias, and did I wear a disguise. Then I do not return for several months and make my return on a different shift.

Finally, only the casino really knows what will happen on your return.

ihate17
 

BlackjackMan312

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ihate17 said:
One of the big So Cal Indian casinos, Pechanga, runs television ads of people having a wonderful time at their hotel, restaurants, slots and table games. On the 5 seconds spent on the blackjack table, one player high fives another player shouting "good job".
Since this has run for a couple of years, I hear it now in other California casinos and sometimes in Vegas, so there is a good chance the pit just picked this up from that and it means nothing special.

My high bet is right around where yours is but I have never had a $25,000 hour, "good job".

You mentioned yours was the biggest action in the place. To me that means your play will be reviewed. Perhaps rerunning your session or as soon as you sit down. The thing about many places that can handle $1,000 bets is that they tend not to show any heat. At your bet level either a pit or the eye on their own will decide to run an evaluation program on you. That tends to take at least 3 shoes and often more, meaning that if they did not start when you first sat down, they may not have finished when you left. Remember if they think you were just a lucky sucker and not an AP, they will encourage your return to their tables.
Now if they re-run your whole session, you may find yourself backed off upon return to the tables. Some places get nasty, kick you out of your free room or upon check out you get a bill when you thought you were RFB.
I tend to not burn out my home hotel. Play hard and nasty at places where I do not stay and make friends, spend more time bs-ing with dealers and pits than actual play time and still get RFB.

So you are probably in blackjack limbo right now. You could hit the same shift, play more conservatively, give the pit a big thankyou for the comp and see what happens. If asked why you are now betting less today, you give them a story. Tell them that you generally lose and winning this much you are going to make sure you take some of it home with you. They hear this from ploppies and high rollers all the time.

You could also hit a different shift, but you can be sure that on shift change, your name was mentioned. Not so much for how much you won but because you were the big player in the house.

When I have a great short session in a casino, I hit the door quickly, leaving them little or nothing to remember me by, write down some notes about the session, such as the dealers, pits, was I using a players card, what I was wearing, what name I was using if using an alias, and did I wear a disguise. Then I do not return for several months and make my return on a different shift.

Finally, only the casino really knows what will happen on your return.

ihate17
Thanks for all the information!...Do you think If I still Want to bet Blacks But lower my spread between lets say 1-5. ($100-$500) Instead of 1-10 ($100-$1000) Do you think the heat will be less? Or do you think they might not pay to much attention at all due to the low spread? I will be playing a 6 Deck shoe, so I dont know if that would be too effective. Please Write back. Thanks!
 
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21forme

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If you lower your spread to 1-5 at a 6D shoe, you'll probably be playing a -EV game, unless you're wonging out at all negative counts (I presume it's no midshoe entry at that level, so you can't wong in for only the + counts.)
 

ihate17

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1-5 will not beat this game

BlackjackMan312 said:
Thanks for all the information!...Do you think If I still Want to bet Blacks But lower my spread between lets say 1-5. ($100-$500) Instead of 1-10 ($100-$1000) Do you think the heat will be less? Or do you think they might not pay to much attention at all due to the low spread? I will be playing a 6 Deck shoe, so I dont know if that would be too effective. Please Write back. Thanks!
If you are planning to get your question answered and just find out if you are a welcomed guest or a backoff and are willing to lose some money finding out, then do it.
That spread will make you slightly negative on a good 6 deck shoe game. Overall, it will not cost you much if you do this for less than an hour and see what happens. If nothing happens, you can always increase your spread, especially if you lose a few and go into a steam act.

Lowering your spread on a permanent basis will only lose you money.

ihate17
 
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