Hi, I'm very new to card counting and blackjack. I live in South Africa and the casino where I regularly go to has card shuffle machines on the blackjack tables. Do these machines prevent you from card counting by continuously shuffling the cards inside or is it the same as a normal shoe? Also the dealers place the used cards after each round back into the machine.
Shuffling Machines
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Shuffle machines
There are two kinds of shuffle machines:
Continuous Shuffle Machine "CSM" (the one you describe) prevents card counting because dealer continuously reinserts used cards back into machine where they are cycled over and over again. It is not the same as a shoe game where used cards go to the discard tray. This machine is hated by all advantage players.
The Auto Shuffler "ASM" is a machine that shuffles the entire stack of cards at one time, for each round. The dealer places the entire discarded stack into the machine, then pulls a newly shuffled stack to be placed into the shoe for play. The only difference being that a machine shuffles instead of hand shuffle by the dealer, which speeds up play. Of course, this machine prevents shuffle tracking.
There are two kinds of shuffle machines:
Continuous Shuffle Machine "CSM" (the one you describe) prevents card counting because dealer continuously reinserts used cards back into machine where they are cycled over and over again. It is not the same as a shoe game where used cards go to the discard tray. This machine is hated by all advantage players.
The Auto Shuffler "ASM" is a machine that shuffles the entire stack of cards at one time, for each round. The dealer places the entire discarded stack into the machine, then pulls a newly shuffled stack to be placed into the shoe for play. The only difference being that a machine shuffles instead of hand shuffle by the dealer, which speeds up play. Of course, this machine prevents shuffle tracking.
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Shuffle machines
Sonny,
I know this topic has been discussed many times. I have a question for you. Understanding that basic strategy is a losing strategy:
Does a CSM offer any additional disadvantage or advantage to the basic strategy player? (other than make him lose faster)
I have read that there may be a slightly less house advantage due to absence of the "cut card effect".
If this is true, a basic strategy player may have no reason to shun the machine.
Also, the machines I have seen, use fewer decks than the standard 6-deck shoe, and fewer decks mean slightly more advantage to the player.
Sonny,
I know this topic has been discussed many times. I have a question for you. Understanding that basic strategy is a losing strategy:
Does a CSM offer any additional disadvantage or advantage to the basic strategy player? (other than make him lose faster)
I have read that there may be a slightly less house advantage due to absence of the "cut card effect".
If this is true, a basic strategy player may have no reason to shun the machine.
Also, the machines I have seen, use fewer decks than the standard 6-deck shoe, and fewer decks mean slightly more advantage to the player.
Sonny
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I’ve read that as well. I haven’t studied it myself, but Shackleford concluded that the reduced house edge and increased speed of the game will cancel each other out. If that is the case then the CSM does not offer any advantage to the BS player unless he can play very slowly.tribute said:
-Sonny-