Side Counting Aces with KO

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Jaisen

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My local casino offers SD H17 DOA NDAS with 50% pen during the day and 70% pen with a few friendly dealers. This place has 5 BJ tables and usually 3 are open and almost no one bets green. The catch is that I've discovered they employ counter catchers using Hi-Opt I.

My buddies recommends KO with side count of aces a/k/a Linux count because the power comes from its Tens count. The Linux indices are different from those in the KO book, e.g. Insurance is at RC of +2 with IRC of 0. Here are my questions:
1) What is the BC/PE/IC of Linux? I suspect it is stronger than KO
2) Is the higher win rate from Linux due to better DD information?
3) How correlated is Linux and Hi-OPT I?

Any feedback / answers is appreciated.
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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I can answer #3

Unfortunately with all legitimate counts the increases in bet will be correlated. They wouldn't all work, otherwise. You need tactics more sophisticated than a non-expected count to beat game protection.
 
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Jaisen

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But, is the correlation 60%, 70%, 80% etc?

It's a given there exist positive correlation between card counting systems, but what would be the correlation between Linux (w/ Ace side count) and High-Opt I (w/ Ace side count)? If I had to make an educated guess, it would be 60%-70% because Linux counts two more cards than High-Opt I.
 
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Jaisen

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I am still learning the system

You use KO tags: 2-7 is +1 and Tens and Aces are -1. At the basic level, the the main difference between Linux and KO is that you use the Ace as part of RC for betting purposes, but exclude the Ace from the RC for play variation, e.g. comparing the richness of tens to 2-7's. Linux is used in RC mode and is unbalanced.

Here's how my buddy explained to me: By side counting the Ace, for the basic level, the player gets a BC of KO, PE that is better than High-Opt I, and IC in the 80% range. So it would be appreciated if someone can comfirm this.
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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It'll be more than that

What you need to calculate is how frequently will there be a shortage of 3's-6's without there also being a shortage of 2's and 7's. And realistically, how much more do you want to increase your bet because some extra 2's and 7's were dealt, being their effect of removal is so comparatively low?

If you're going to beat the heat at SD it won't be by changing your count. I use level 3 and they still catch me. Learn to hit-and-run, move around, cover play, cover act, etc. but probably the most effective is just determine how much of a spread they'll tolerate at your betting level and stick within it.
 
J

Jaisen

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Level 3 counts

My understanding is higher level counts (e.g. level 3) improve the BC; side counts, OTHO, improve PE. In SD, insurance is the most important play variation, and Linux has one of the highest IC. If I can increase my ev through better insurance deveiations, the game is about breakeven. Also, you have to keep in mind this is SD, and play variation trumps BC.
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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Not quite

Although PE is more important in SD than in shoe it sure doesn't trump BC. In a good SD game, flat betting you can get your advantage up to about +0.15% with a nice PE count like HO2. At the same time, you can play Basic Strategy and get your advantage up over 1% with a spread. Give me BC every time!

Higher level counts increase both PE and BC when used properly. Sidecounts also increase both, depending on which sidecount. If you're playing a lot of SD you have a few good choices, but the KO w/ aces you are using will be just fine.
 
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