Don't get me wrong, there are a few folks here that one can learn a lot about card counting from & if you stay with it ,have the money you can win . I have been counting for years using the simple + & - count . I would set for hours waiting for the magic number, hardly ever came ,so I would watch my bank acc fade away.NOW> I am a $10 & $15 player. I start betting $15 on the first hand & according to the count , I either stay at $15 or back to $10. I don't care if it is the second hand from a 6 deck shoe or the last hand. I do get excited & bet more if the count & penetration is right . I hardly ever win or lose much ,but counting the comps , I am way ahead. I only take $1000 a trip to play with . Knock on wood , I won the last 2 trips. $150 & $48 . Don't laugh BG I won! POGO