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E-town-guy

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I was planning on buying CVBJ for both its exercises and ability to run sims until I found it can't actually run sims. I was wondering if someone can suggest a program which can. I will still buy CVBJ so I only need the other program for running sims.

Worth pointing out is I tried a free sims program off Arnold Snyder's site but I didn't really like it. I also thought Wong had a free one available off his site but I couldn't find it.

Other than the usual functions I would like sim program to be able to evaluate some less common rules or options: play 2 hands instead of one depending on the count, leave a third or half the time when the count drops below -1, early surrender except against a dealer's ace, and be able to input my own idices.

Thanks.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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E-town-guy said:
I would like sim program to be able to evaluate some less common rules or options: play 2 hands instead of one depending on the count, leave a third or half the time when the count drops below -1, early surrender except against a dealer's ace, and be able to input my own idices.
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I personally advise AGAINST getting a simulator. There is very little need for a sim, and when some thing arises that requires a sim, you can usually request someone at a board, who is more proficient, to do it.

Questions like 2-hands vs 1-hand, and how to adjust your indices for early surrender are generally found in the literature and/or answered at the boards.

Software-based drills and and risk orientation or more important than running sims that are the equivalent of looking at a deck of cards under an electronic microscope.

But that said your choice is CVSim or SBA. CV is modular and can include the drills and risk calc. zg
 
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violentkun

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ya sim is hardly accurate. i am currently working on a program. Everytime a card appeared, all the probability will change accordingly. Example if a Ace appeared, both dealer chance to Blackjack and player chance to blackjack will reduce. I am just worried if there's a simply error, the program will give false harmful information. Is it good to always assume there's 8 deck, so even its lesser than 8 deck, at least it work conservatively.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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I'm moving closer to removing this clueless VIOLENTKUN yahoo from my list.
Hey, VIOLENTKUN, this is the card-counting forum, you don't belong here!
Go to Betting Strategies and talk about PROGRESSIONS! zg
 
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QFIT

QFIT

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CVData and CVCX are the CVBJ related simulators. CVData replaced CVSim quite awhile back.
 
KenSmith

KenSmith

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violentkun, while I understand how you want to derive all this stuff yourself, please consider that just about everything about the basic game of blackjack has been analyzed many, many times by lots of different people.

If your personal calculations are in disagreement with the general consensus, the first thing to do is find out where YOUR error is, not the other way around.

On sims, I've always used SBA for mine, but this week I'm evaluating the latest versions of QFit's CVCX and CVData. They'll be available in the store in a few days, and I'll be posting a complete review of CVBJ, CVCX, and CVData.

If you can wait a few days, I think it will be worth it.
 
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violentkun

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:laugh: Mr Zengrifter I APOLOGISE OK
hahaha okok,YOU ARE THE BEST OK? Do you think Blackjack still can be improved? But you are rejecting suggestions.

I am a new learner. but you will find me helpful in future. tell me you wont, even in future. tell me. so i can leave for good.


Mr KenSmith, thx... i just have no idea they did it before. Yep, that's why i am looking for assistance here. I don't read books or their software, i am just looking for forums for interactive purposes.
 
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Canceler

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I'm not zengrifter, but...

violentkun said:
but you will find me helpful in future. tell me you wont, even in future. tell me. so i can leave for good.
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Whenever we need someone to reinvent the wheel, with errors, you'll be the first one we think of!
 
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E-town-guy

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violentkun said:
:laugh: Mr Zengrifter I APOLOGISE OK
hahaha okok,YOU ARE THE BEST OK? Do you think Blackjack still can be improved? But you are rejecting suggestions.

I am a new learner. but you will find me helpful in future. tell me you wont, even in future. tell me. so i can leave for good.


Mr KenSmith, thx... i just have no idea they did it before. Yep, that's why i am looking for assistance here. I don't read books or their software, i am just looking for forums for interactive purposes.
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Violentkun I applaud your efforts and interest in blackjack but I think at first, just like any good scientist, you should familiarize yourself in depth with the game itself and the literature. That way you can see what has been done already and from there look for improvements.

I don't think there is any need to be rude to Violentkun as reinventing the wheel is necessary from time to time. The casinos have changed over the years by adding more decks to their games, CSMs, and weird variations of blackjack that are supposedly super fun. If players don't evolve along with the casinos card counters will die off like the dinosaurs!
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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E-town-guy said:
I don't think there is any need to be rude to Violentkun as reinventing the wheel is necessary from time to time.
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It is said that the really big breakthroughs (the 'paradigm shifts') ALWAYS come from outside the given industry. zg
 
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violentkun

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i am sorry, i have over confidence in my own calculation and trust my work too much, so i dont care bout anyone's fame, i will post what i think and wait for critism and waiting for someone to point out my mistake. I will debunk anyone even if they are professional like you all. Of cos in most of the cases my effort wil be futile and i will "Ahhh now i know". THANKS ALOT.

ZG, u knew i respect and trust you. I pm you as soon as my mind came out with a Card Counting system backed by logic and maths. I wanted to a review from you before any embarassment upon me. Yet you didnt even bother to reply. i will welcome any review..To receive such negative comment by someone i respect is really disappointing.

I aint clueless i know what Etownguy wanted. He wanted something what i wanted too. Something to test the effiency of a system, Something that generate 10 millions similar game, something that do trial and error. I aint clueless, when i said i agree to you regarding sim might not be good because there's a way to derive the exact effiency other than a sim that randomise each hand and count the average at the end of the day.

But every action sure has its reason, you won't insult somebody just because he's new in blackjack. I know why you did that to me cuz i am equally rude at times. I hope u can forgive my ignorance.

Cancelor, so far, the error i made is because of the different rules of different casino. Computing and calculation is correct. Now as i learn i get better, thanks to all everyone's patience. despite every embarassment i made, i wont even care what people think about how stupid i am. When everyone learnt the same best computer-prefect specified law of card counting and blackjack, the one who has the best photographic memory is the champion.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Please post the cardcounting system/card-tags here and get the benefit from not just me but also Ken and a few other pros.

Today's sim programs like the QFIT CV Data can offer a billion hands in a short frame, instantly programmable to any system, penetration, #decks, rule variants, etc. zg
 
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violentkun

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done. i posted. pls give me advise.

Thanks for the info.

Simulation generator i believe is something that tell you:
how many games you won and lose and push following your instruction. You will be the one who instruct the program to hit/stand/double.

i am looking for something that tell you the chance of win/lose/push if i hit, the chance if i stand or the chance if i double, in situation when 2 aces, 4 kings had appeared. Do those program has this feature too?
 
jetace

jetace

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Sorry to restart an old thread, but I thought this would be the best place to bring this up.

I'm looking to get some EV's for some bad rules that are found at casinos around my region (Southern Oregon).

Sonny was kind enough to provide me with some amazing excel spreadsheets and sent me the data for some really good games.

Most of the games in my area really aren't worth playing, but I'd still like to check some data on it.

I'm looking for a program similar to CVData (what Sonny is using), but don't want to spend the $130 since I'll only use it a few times. I bought CVBJ but it didn't come with CVData.

I would just ask Sonny to run it for a few more games but I feel like I'm bugging him quite a bit lately. So I thought I'd see if anyone knew of any free software that will give me decent EV's and Frequencies.

Or, if anyone feels like running a sim. The rules are: 2D, H17, D1011, nDAS,60% pen. and 6D, H17, nDAS, 75% pen.

I plan on wonging these games when I actually do end up going with friends so I'd like to see EV's for TC = 0 through TC = +8

Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks!
 
QFIT

QFIT

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You don't need the password for frequencies or SCOREs. SCORE is the win rate for a $10,000 bankroll with optimal betting.
 
jetace

jetace

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Thanks.

I can pull some of the data I'm looking for off of that calculator. What I really need is the Win/Loss EV to plug into my spreadsheet, which can only be accessed with a password. Is CVCX separate from CVBJ? I bought the CVBJ package but don't have CVData, I didn't see anything on CVCX either.

Thanks for sending me the link though. I appreciate it.
 
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