Felix Rue-de-Guerre
Well-Known Member
I just came across a dealer who would sometimes cringe in a glaringly obvious way when she checked her hole card (if it was a ten), when a ten was her upcard. I also noticed that she would tend to do this when most of the players had bust hands(12-16), and were kindly vocal about their bad hands. It happened the first time very early in her shift. The next couple of times I kept a mental note that she had a ten in the hole and was %100 accurate. I left when the count tanked. Maybe I shouldn't have. I'm sure the proper processing of this kind of information is WAY more useful than counting alone.
In the case of a player-empathetic dealer like this, it may have been best to act disappointed about my hand and try to wring the "tell" out of her. But that wasn't where my head was at. I'm still no expert, I was concentrating on other things. This is only the second time in a few years that I've noticed an obvious "tell". I'm sure dealers like this don't typically last very long. For as often as this happens is it worth worrying about persuing as a point of advantage play? Is anyone else very conscientious of this stuff? I don't see very many posts on this topic. That is, Matters that are not clearly calculated, but are dependent on subjective confidence levels.
Consider a given player playing Hi-Lo I18 in shoe games. If he became good enough to accurately predict the hole card one in one hundred times without making any mistakes, how would this compare in value to learning more indecies or switching to a higher level count? What if he could predict one in fifty? One in twenty?
A while ago, the Mayor recommeded I buy the book "Beyond Counting" by James Grosjean. At the time, I figured a book with this title would be beyond the scope of what was my current level of study, so I didn't immediately take his advice. I needed to just get good at counting... I will order it soon. I imagine there are books on poker and body language that would be useful too. But, it would be interesting to hear how other players handle such situations. Stories are most welcome.
-Felix
In the case of a player-empathetic dealer like this, it may have been best to act disappointed about my hand and try to wring the "tell" out of her. But that wasn't where my head was at. I'm still no expert, I was concentrating on other things. This is only the second time in a few years that I've noticed an obvious "tell". I'm sure dealers like this don't typically last very long. For as often as this happens is it worth worrying about persuing as a point of advantage play? Is anyone else very conscientious of this stuff? I don't see very many posts on this topic. That is, Matters that are not clearly calculated, but are dependent on subjective confidence levels.
Consider a given player playing Hi-Lo I18 in shoe games. If he became good enough to accurately predict the hole card one in one hundred times without making any mistakes, how would this compare in value to learning more indecies or switching to a higher level count? What if he could predict one in fifty? One in twenty?
A while ago, the Mayor recommeded I buy the book "Beyond Counting" by James Grosjean. At the time, I figured a book with this title would be beyond the scope of what was my current level of study, so I didn't immediately take his advice. I needed to just get good at counting... I will order it soon. I imagine there are books on poker and body language that would be useful too. But, it would be interesting to hear how other players handle such situations. Stories are most welcome.
-Felix