Spanish 21 BS as -4 Indices?

moo321

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I've been working on Spanish 21, and I got to thinking... Can I just use the Spanish 21 BS when the TC hits -4? Or is there something I'm missing...
 

Kasi

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moo321 said:
I've been working on Spanish 21, and I got to thinking... Can I just use the Spanish 21 BS when the TC hits -4? Or is there something I'm missing...
That's pretty much it. In 8 decks. Since that's what you start off with. I don't see how you could be too far wrong anyway.

She does have an index adjustment table for some multi-card holdings.
 

moo321

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I think I was unclear in my original post. What I meant was, when I'm playing regular blackjack, and the TC hits -4, can I use the BS for Spanish 21 as my indices?
 

rukus

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moo321 said:
I think I was unclear in my original post. What I meant was, when I'm playing regular blackjack, and the TC hits -4, can I use the BS for Spanish 21 as my indices?
the REAL question is, if you are playing 6 or 8 deck blackjack, why are you still playing at a TC of -4? you should be long gone! joking aside, i'm not sure of the answer to YOUR question, sorry :joker:
 

21forme

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rukus said:
the REAL question is, if you are playing 6 or 8 deck blackjack, why are you still playing at a TC of -4? you should be long gone! joking aside, i'm not sure of the answer to YOUR question, sorry :joker:
You beat me to that one! You should be outta there at -1!
 
jack said:
Just curious...is 14 vs 3 a Hit for BS play for S21? Also is 14 vs a 4 Stand?
14 vs. 4 is stand and 14 vs. 3 is hit, although the index for stand on 14 vs. 3 comes on very quickly once you get into a slight positive count.

Of course, this doesn't apply if your 14 is a 8,6! Or if it's a 4-card 14.

The other valuable hit/stand index is 13 vs. 5.
 

jack.jackson

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Automatic Monkey said:
14 vs. 4 is stand and 14 vs. 3 is hit, although the index for stand on 14 vs. 3 comes on very quickly once you get into a slight positive count.

Of course, this doesn't apply if your 14 is a 8,6! Or if it's a 4-card 14.

The other valuable hit/stand index is 13 vs. 5.
Curiously, after I posted this, I went and checked with the Wizard of odds. To my Humble Surprise, I was correct! What I coudnt figure out is why 11 vs A was still a BS play.(If I read it correctly) It must do with the fact of DD Rescue? Otherwise I would think, you Could add +4, to all your Hard Doubles for Level 1 Counts, thst is.
 

moo321

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rukus said:
the REAL question is, if you are playing 6 or 8 deck blackjack, why are you still playing at a TC of -4? you should be long gone! joking aside, i'm not sure of the answer to YOUR question, sorry :joker:
No, this is for single and double deck.
 

jack.jackson

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Check This Out!!

I took the SC of Aces, for A02 and stuck in the main count, such as.............(-21122210-1-2) for a Unbalanced count of -2 so I will end up a Zero and the end of the Deck!!! Its also easy to use and Has an Unpresented OSR of 97.77:eek:


Would this Work? Please help.
 

moo321

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Any answers to the original question? Can we use Spanish 21 BS in negative counts in regular blackjack?
 

jack.jackson

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moo321 said:
Any answers to the original question? Can we use Spanish 21 BS in negative counts in regular blackjack?
Someone correct if im wrong, but I believe you could at TC 0. Because the 4 missing tent are = to +4
 

Kasi

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moo321 said:
I think I was unclear in my original post. What I meant was, when I'm playing regular blackjack, and the TC hits -4, can I use the BS for Spanish 21 as my indices?
OMG no no no - don't even think about it.

Maybe I'm missing something because I can't even imagine what would give you that idea lol.

You mean use SP 21 BS in BJ :confused:

Don't do vice-versa either.
 

Kasi

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jack said:
Just curious...is 14 vs 3 a Hit for BS play for S21? Also is 14 vs a 4 Stand?
Yes to both. In AC for sure.

And, oh yeah, the know-alls get real pissed lol.
 

Kasi

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jack said:
Someone correct if im wrong, but I believe you could at TC 0. Because the 4 missing tent are = to +4
Why would anyone even want to even if they could? I'm so confused lol. Learn a BS for a completely diff game so you could apply in another diff game?
 

moo321

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Kasi said:
OMG no no no - don't even think about it.

Maybe I'm missing something because I can't even imagine what would give you that idea lol.

You mean use SP 21 BS in BJ :confused:

Don't do vice-versa either.
Yeah, the idea is that, instead of memorizing a bunch of negative indices, I just use Spanish 21 BS at -4 or worse, because I'm gonna memorize that anyways.
 

Kasi

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moo321 said:
Yeah, the idea is that, instead of memorizing a bunch of negative indices, I just use Spanish 21 BS at -4 or worse, because I'm gonna memorize that anyways.

OK - I see. Never hurts to ask.

Just memorize the 4 or 5 -1 indexes and play BS below that. You'll be fine.
 
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