splitting aces

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Johnrfla

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Greetings all,

I know your suppose to split aces but what if the count is at say -5 or -6? Do you just split and hope for a 10 or even a 8 or 9? Not splitting will draw attention from the pit boss? Would it also perhaps depend on what the dealer as showing? Thank you for your patience on these questions.

Sincerely,
John
 
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DonR

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As far as I know, you are always supposed to split aces...well, almost always. The exception would be against a dealer's ace, if the true count is lower than -3. There are a few other exceptions, against 7, 8, 9, or 10, but those are at very low true counts, the ones you should always find an excuse not to play, to begin with. TC of -3 should be avoided, as well, but just in case you play that hand, it should only be a hit against a dealer's ace.

As for drawing attention, I'm not so sure about it. I've seen a lot of ploppies not split their aces, especially against a dealer's 10 card. I guess, combined with other AP techniques that you use during your play, if they watch you, not splitting your aces might be something that could draw attention.
 
creeping panther

creeping panther

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DonR said:
As far as I know, you are always supposed to split aces...well, almost always. The exception would be against a dealer's ace, if the true count is lower than -3. There are a few other exceptions, against 7, 8, 9, or 10, but those are at very low true counts, the ones you should always find an excuse not to play, to begin with. TC of -3 should be avoided, as well, but just in case you play that hand, it should only be a hit against a dealer's ace.

As for drawing attention, I'm not so sure about it. I've seen a lot of ploppies not split their aces, especially against a dealer's 10 card. I guess, combined with other AP techniques that you use during your play, if they watch you, not splitting your aces might be something that could draw attention.
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Depending on the rules I do not ALWAYS split aces, there are time I do not and it has always worked well. Use all the info at hand. that is the strength
of the true "BJ WARRIOR".;)

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shadroch

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If you play scavenger BJ, having Aces in a very negative count would be a good chance to share your hand with your tablemates.
 
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Cardcounter

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Not splitting your aces would make you look more like a ploppy than an AP. If you can't take a second card to your aces as in 99% of blackjack games it might be the proper play to hit against a 7,8,9,10 or Ace in a negative 5 count which you should have had the erge to go to the bathroom or get something to eat at that point.
 
Martin Gayle

Martin Gayle

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If you are worried about looking like an AP, just wave the hand, stand on your soft 12, see what happens, you just might get heads up table, as the dealer is likely to draw out if the count is calling for you not to split A's. If you are playing in a count this bad you probably have serious flaws as a counter anyways.
 
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Renzey

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Martin Gayle said:
If you are worried about looking like an AP, just wave the hand, stand on your soft 12, see what happens, you just might get heads up table, as the dealer is likely to draw out if the count is calling for you not to split A's. If you are playing in a count this bad you probably have serious flaws as a counter anyways.
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The dealer breaks with an Ace up only 1 time out of 6 in a neutral count. In a negative count, it will be less than that. You cannot afford to stand on soft 12, giving yourself such a tiny chance to win the hand. You should just hit your 2 Aces against an Ace at -6 TC or lower, and hit them against a 7 thru 10 at -10 TC or lower. About the only times you'd be there to see this is when you're playing all, probably heads up in a single or double deck game.
 
Martin Gayle

Martin Gayle

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Renzey said:
The dealer breaks with an Ace up only 1 time out of 6 in a neutral count. In a negative count, it will be less than that. You cannot afford to stand on soft 12, giving yourself such a tiny chance to win the hand. You should just hit your 2 Aces against an Ace at -6 TC or lower, and hit them against a 7 thru 10 at -10 TC or lower. About the only times you'd be there to see this is when you're playing all, probably heads up in a single or double deck game.
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I was laying the sarcasm on pretty heavy in the previous post.
 
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Johnrfla

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Greetings, the occurance was at the very start of a shoe, with 2 other players, we all recieved 20s and the dealer had a 7 which we all won. I then dropped my bet down to the min when I recieved the 2 aces the other two guys recieved some very low cards, so I decided to split, I got a 9 on one and a 6 on the other. The dealer wind up busting.
 
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mdlbj

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Johnrfla said:
Greetings all,

I know your suppose to split aces but what if the count is at say -5 or -6? Do you just split and hope for a 10 or even a 8 or 9? Not splitting will draw attention from the pit boss? Would it also perhaps depend on what the dealer as showing? Thank you for your patience on these questions.

Sincerely,
John
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Dont play if the count is -1
 
jack.jackson

jack.jackson

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Blackjack Trivia> If Re-splitting aces is permitted, continue to split on those border line indexes.

*Assuming indexes were created on, no re-splitting aces.
 
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flyingwind

flyingwind

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Is it always correct to split aces when you get only one card after splitting aces and resplit aces is not allowed?

Or are there Hi-Lo indices for splitting aces for this situation?
 
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FLASH1296

FLASH1296

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I believe that True Count −4 would be correct for Hi-Lo players feith Ace-Ace vs. a Dealer's ACE.

Against a dealer TEN it would be a much lower index, probably T.C. −8.
 
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bigplayer

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Indexes for Hit AA vs Ace instead of Splitting.

Sucker said:
Yes, and the indices are different depending upon the dealer's up card.
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Most players don't worry about it because they are too busy faking a phone call at that negative a true count. For single or double deck where wongouts aren't feasible (like if you're at a heads up high limit game) the risk averse high low indexes I have are -4 for s17 and -5 for h17. Wong's book (non RA) has -3 and -4 for s17/h17 (for multiple deck) and -7/-8 for single deck (difference for single deck is because of the removal effect if you catch a small card on the first ace you are more likely to catch a big card on the second Ace.) Not splitting AA vs 10 is -9 for shoes and -10 for single deck (no change from s17 to h17).
 
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Sucker

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NightStalker said:
and why one should care on minimum bet?
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I can think of several circumstances where one might have a MAXIMUM bet out there on a VERY negative count. Happens all the time in the more advanced blackjack techniques.
 
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