Splitting

[Mikeaber]

Scenario:
Your turn to play. You are using KO with a 1:10 spread.
Count is +5 a 6D shoe and you have your max bet out (>+3).
You have a pair of 8's.
Dealer has a 6 up card. Dealer hits soft-17's. You can double after splits.
You split.
You get a Face on the first 8 and the count is now +4. You stand.
You get another 8 on the next hand.
You split it and now have three hands in play, all with max bets.
You draw another Face and the count is +3. You stand.
On your third eight, you draw an Ace and the count is now +2.

The question is, now that the count at +2 instead of +4 or greater, you have your maximum bet on three hands, should you double the soft-19 against the dealer 6 since that would require another max matching bet with a +2 count (3-units less than max), or should you double for 3 units less, or should you just stand?

I've encountered situations such as this and have always gone with basic strategy and doubled for the full amount. I can't recall whether I've come out ahead or behind with such moves.

 

[bj bob]

Doesn't Make Too Much Difference

With a 6D game, in my view, Mike. I would tend to think that, at the beginning or middle of a shoe that the RC would not affect the TC to that great of an extent. It would certainly be more of a factor in a DD and, especially a 1D game by "bleeding" the pos. count. My greater concern would be cash in hand at that point and more importantly would it "smell funny" to the pit? After that I cannot see why it would matter too much either way.

 

[Mikeaber]

Honestly BJBob, I've never gotten a funky look from the Pit in making a move with a pair of 8's. Most players regardless of experience know enough to split 8's...especially against a dealer 6. The only questionable part would be the size of the bet that I have out at that particular time. Well, that and the little used correct basic strategy of doubling a soft-19 (correct on a table where the dealer hits soft 17's).

My question is more about what the correct Advantage Play would be without regarding cover. I'm assuming that if my BR wasn't adequate then my 10-unit maximum bet would have been a breach of Advantage Play criteria.

 

[sagefr0g]

Scenario:
Your turn to play. You are using KO with a 1:10 spread.
Count is +5 a 6D shoe and you have your max bet out (>+3).
You have a pair of 8's.
Dealer has a 6 up card. Dealer hits soft-17's. You can double after splits.
You split.
You get a Face on the first 8 and the count is now +4. You stand.
You get another 8 on the next hand.
You split it and now have three hands in play, all with max bets.
You draw another Face and the count is +3. You stand.
On your third eight, you draw an Ace and the count is now +2.

The question is, now that the count at +2 instead of +4 or greater, you have your maximum bet on three hands, should you double the soft-19 against the dealer 6 since that would require another max matching bet with a +2 count (3-units less than max), or should you double for 3 units less, or should you just stand?

I've encountered situations such as this and have always gone with basic strategy and doubled for the full amount. I can't recall whether I've come out ahead or behind with such moves.

i don't know the indices for doubling A8v6 in KO but if the indice called for it i'd double it regardless of the size of the bet. (despite my afore mentioned aversion to not surrendering a 13v10 when i had a big bet out and the count was highly positive :joker: ).
best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[Mikeaber]

i don't know the indices for doubling A8v6 in KO but if the indice called for it i'd double it regardless of the size of the bet. (despite my afore mentioned aversion to not surrendering a 13v10 when i had a big bet out and the count was highly positive :joker: ).
best regards,
mr fr0g

There is no "KO" index for the soft-19 play. It's strictly Basic Strategy.

 

[ScottH]

There is no "KO" index for the soft-19 play. It's strictly Basic Strategy.

You would play either BS, or use the correct index at that count. If you don't know the index for soft 19 vs 6 then you would play BS, which is to double for the full amount.

 

[sagefr0g]

There is no "KO" index for the soft-19 play. It's strictly Basic Strategy.

right my bad :joker: you said this was dealer hits soft-17 i over looked that and was thinking of the game i usually play which is dealer stands on soft-17 . in the case of dealer stands on soft-17 i'd be looking for the hi/lo tc=1 before doubling.
well then i'd go ahead and double per basic strategy in your example even with the high bet out.
best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[Canceler]

My vote is for BS

Yes, double the soft 19 for the full amount. My understanding is that with a big bet out there it's even more important to play correctly. Even though the count had dropped, the shoe was still favorable. And against a 6? Fire away!! :gun:

 

[E-town-guy]

Soft 19v6 is probably a hand where even with a TC=0 doubling provides you with a positive EV so even with a TC=2 I would double it and double it for the full amount.