standing with 16

[shadroch]

I've been using the training site on this forum fairly extensively the last few days. Have almost 800 hands played,but there is one scenerio which keeps popping up that confuses me.I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that you should stand on a hard 16vs10 if your hand includes a 4 or a 5.The trainer says this is incorrect. I'm playing SD and DD,DOA,,no surrender,I vary between S17,and H17.Am I misapplying this rule
BTW-after 700+ hands I'm up $17.50. My hi is 32.00 and my low is -45.I'm hoping to get 2,000 hands played before my trip.Other than this one situation,I'mrunning almost perfect with the trainer.

 

[ScottH]

I've been using the training site on this forum fairly extensively the last few days. Have almost 800 hands played,but there is one scenerio which keeps popping up that confuses me.I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that you should stand on a hard 16vs10 if your hand includes a 4 or a 5.The trainer says this is incorrect. I'm playing SD and DD,DOA,,no surrender,I vary between S17,and H17.Am I misapplying this rule
BTW-after 700+ hands I'm up $17.50. My hi is 32.00 and my low is -45.I'm hoping to get 2,000 hands played before my trip.Other than this one situation,I'mrunning almost perfect with the trainer.

The strategy trainer doesn't take counting into consideration. With a freshly shuffled deck the correct move is to hit, so that is what the basic strategy trainer tells you to do.

 

[Cass]

I've been using the training site on this forum fairly extensively the last few days. Have almost 800 hands played,but there is one scenerio which keeps popping up that confuses me.I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that you should stand on a hard 16vs10 if your hand includes a 4 or a 5.The trainer says this is incorrect. I'm playing SD and DD,DOA,,no surrender,I vary between S17,and H17.Am I misapplying this rule
BTW-after 700+ hands I'm up $17.50. My hi is 32.00 and my low is -45.I'm hoping to get 2,000 hands played before my trip.Other than this one situation,I'mrunning almost perfect with the trainer.

Basic strategy is just that- basic. It doesnt take hand composition into effect. Like a 5 card sixteen, or when you DAS these hands could be played different due to hand composition.

 

[Mikeaber]

I've been using the training site on this forum fairly extensively the last few days. Have almost 800 hands played,but there is one scenerio which keeps popping up that confuses me.I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that you should stand on a hard 16vs10 if your hand includes a 4 or a 5.The trainer says this is incorrect. I'm playing SD and DD,DOA,,no surrender,I vary between S17,and H17.Am I misapplying this rule
BTW-after 700+ hands I'm up $17.50. My hi is 32.00 and my low is -45.I'm hoping to get 2,000 hands played before my trip.Other than this one situation,I'mrunning almost perfect with the trainer.

The "rule" you make reference to Shadroch is called the "Rule of 45". It is a crutch for non-APs and is a VERY weak indication of deck composition. You'll never see it in any basic strategy chart...at least I haven't.

 

[tedloc]

Fred Renzy

I've been using the training site on this forum fairly extensively the last few days. Have almost 800 hands played,but there is one scenerio which keeps popping up that confuses me.I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that you should stand on a hard 16vs10 if your hand includes a 4 or a 5.The trainer says this is incorrect. I'm playing SD and DD,DOA,,no surrender,I vary between S17,and H17.Am I misapplying this rule
BTW-after 700+ hands I'm up $17.50. My hi is 32.00 and my low is -45.I'm hoping to get 2,000 hands played before my trip.Other than this one situation,I'mrunning almost perfect with the trainer.

Check out this article by Renzy http://renzey.casinocitytimes.com/article/some-blackjack-hands-are-best-played-two-different-ways-at-times-1052. His point is similar to taking insurance. If 4 players have 10/10 and the dealer is showing an Ace, in a DD game, the 30% chance of dealer 10 has drastically gone down. In your 16 example, if the cards you need to make a hand are in your hand or on the table in a face up game stay. In reality, the dealer is only going to bust 23% of the time with a 10, so if you stay you will win 23 times. If you hit, you will bust 62% of the time and who knows how many times you will win the hand, on the 38% you don't bust. That's why, if the casino offer surrender, you should take it. If you bet $1 on 100 hands: Surrender gets you back $50. Hit gets you $48 back. Staying gets you back $46. So as you can see, there is not a whole lot of difference for a non-counter. That's why I would suggest you follow Renzy's suggestions, if you can see the cards, on the table. In fact, I do count and I still ask other players in a face down game, if they have 4,5,6(when I have 15 or 16),10(as to taking insurance) as the occasion arises. I have never been told by management, that I can't do that.

 

[zengrifter]

I've been using the training site on this forum fairly extensively the last few days. Have almost 800 hands played,but there is one scenerio which keeps popping up that confuses me.I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that you should stand on a hard 16vs10 if your hand includes a 4 or a 5.The trainer says this is incorrect. I'm playing SD and DD,DOA,,no surrender,I vary between S17,and H17.Am I misapplying this rule
BTW-after 700+ hands I'm up $17.50. My hi is 32.00 and my low is -45.I'm hoping to get 2,000 hands played before my trip.Other than this one situation,I'mrunning almost perfect with the trainer.

Dont bother with any composition-dependent variation, just learn the BS cold. zg

 

[shadroch]

Working on it.Main confusion is when to dd/h on soft hands.Got the splits down pat.

 

[Cass]

Working on it.Main confusion is when to dd/h on soft hands.Got the splits down pat.

As for learning the soft dd/h... One rule to think of always dd if dealer is showing 5 or 6. Other than that you just have to memorize the remaining decisions. I think Renzey's book has a rule to help with them. I dont remember it exactly so i wont try to quote him.

 

[Mikeaber]

As for learning the soft dd/h... One rule to think of always dd if dealer is showing 5 or 6. Other than that you just have to memorize the remaining decisions. I think Renzey's book has a rule to help with them. I dont remember it exactly so i wont try to quote him.

I memorized it using a visual picture of the soft hands. If you look at the charts, they "stairstep in pairs" in Basic Strategy:

20 STAND
19 just double on dealer 6 if dealer hits soft 17's

18 double 3,4,5,6
17 double 3,4,5,6
16 double 4,5,6
15 double 4,5,6
14 double 5,6
13 double 5,6

 

[ScottH]

I memorized it using a visual picture of the soft hands. If you look at the charts, they "stairstep in pairs" in Basic Strategy:

20 STAND
19 just double on dealer 6 if dealer hits soft 17's

18 double 3,4,5,6
17 double 3,4,5,6
16 double 4,5,6
15 double 4,5,6
14 double 5,6
13 double 5,6

Yeah, instead of remembering 6 different lines, you can get it down to 4.
Memorize soft 13+14 together, 15+16 together, 17+18 together (for doubling), and the fourth would be the rest of the soft 18 rules.

 

[shadroch]

I had broken them down to four. I just need more practice. I made up a set of ten flashcards I'm thumbing thru in my spare time. I'm trying to play 250 hands a day on the trainer,but don't want to burn out,either.
The steps hint may prove useful.Hadn't seen them from that perspective.

 

[zengrifter]

Flashcards are BETTER than playing hands. zg

 

[ScottH]

Flashcards are BETTER than playing hands. zg

I don't think flashcards are necessary for memorizing BS, but that's just me. I might use flashcards if I ever decide to learn 60+ index numbers.

 

[avs21]

I found using colored charts was the fastest and easiest way to learn BS for myself. You should check out http://wizardofodds.com