Steve Forte Comments on BJAP

zengrifter

Banned
Subject: Comments on Blackjack Ace Prediction
posted by Steve_Forte on BlackjackForumOnline.com

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Some months back I was asked to endorse a new book on Ace Prediction by David McDowell.

Not being an active player, I first declined and suggested that the book was better reviewed by professional players. I was asked again. Given a minor business relationship with Michael Dalton (he sells my video series), and some limited, albeit enjoyable correspondence with the author, I acquiesced.

I flipped through the book quickly, noting a lengthy history of the strategy and what appeared to be an exhaustive mathematical/computer analysis. My first impressions were good. I then randomly arrived on a photo of a sorted deck with a reference to me and a related strategy. Having never talked with the author about this reference, I read this section quickly, and to be perfectly honest, the reference was taken completely out of context and I was puzzled by the author's application.

So I then flipped to some of the endorsements and noticed a list of icons in the blackjack world. Since I really didn't have the time to read the book carefully, I blindly jumped to the conclusion that, after 20 plus years, someone had finally written a dedicated, quality book on ace tracking.

Now, after looking over some of the analysis and comments submitted by Arnold Snyder, and going back to the book to review some of the material, I suspect that I may be guilty of (a) trying to be a nice guy and (b) falling into a common trap often seen in gambling literature: that of endorsing a product not read carefully by the endorser, or endorsing a product more strongly than it truly deserves.

Aside from my personal feelings that the author's intentions are good, Arnold Snyder's position is very strong. It's also very compelling as he backs up his opinion with substance. A careful reread of Ace Prediction does reveal some oddities regarding the fundamentals of applying the strategy, some overly optimistic bet expectations, and win rates where none appear to exist. To over-rate the profit potential of a strategy or system can, of course, be very dangerous and costly to the typical player.

It's for all of these reasons that it makes perfect sense to challenge the viability of the strategy as presented. It's good for everyone: authors, experts, mathematicians and, most importantly, the players. After all, with any book written for the player, ultimately, only one criteria really matters: Does the strategy win?

How this notably different view of this work plays out in the blackjack community should prove to be a valuable lesson to us all. It will be especially interesting to see if any other endorsers "step up to the plate" after taking a closer look at the research.

Steve Forte
 

The Mayor

Well-Known Member
Great post at rge21.com

I refer you to the post from your brethren, Zen*fighter*:

(Dead link: http://www.advantageplayer.com/blackjack/forums/bj-main/webbbs.cgi?read=15279)
 

Syph

Well-Known Member
Still not right

I refer to the post by ETFan.

(Dead link: http://www.advantageplayer.com/blackjack/forums/bj-main/webbbs.cgi?read=15286)

Best,
Syph

(ps incidentally, the new errata has even bigger flaws)
 

The Mayor

Well-Known Member
Correct, and...

The Ace sequencing thread is worth following as it developes on rge21.com. They have some of the sharpest minds in the biz over there... As they say in Zendom, "lie still and wait..."
 

The Mayor

Well-Known Member
You are correct, sir!

I stand corrected...

But "Be still and wait" is still just as good a cliche for this. If not half-as-profound, it is doubly-as-maniacal.

--Mayor
 

Titaniumman

Well-Known Member
Discussion

Zenfighter and ET Fan started with fairly polarly opposed opinions on this. It is good to see that the two are debating in a non-confrontational manner, but using mathematics instead. ETF has stated that he now has all the pieces to solve the puzzle, and plans to solve it by early morning. He has challenged Zenfighter to submit his solution.

I just wish McDowell himself would comment.
 

zengrifter

Banned
Or Michael Dalton! (or Megala Don, etc.)

TitaniumMan writes -
"I just wish McDowell himself would comment."
 

Zenfighter

New Member
This is my final take on this, Mayor

Below you have my final take on this controversy, posted at Dalton's site.
I firmly believe in the exactitude of the calculations. Or at least, accept it as my very best. I simple can't do it any better.

Sincerely

Zenfighter

<a href="http://www.bjrnet.com/board/wwbjn1/index.cgi?read=6502">My final take on this controversy<a/>​
 
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