Stop The Presses!

[zengrifter]

MTR Management has brought back 3/2 1D BJ to Binion's! Obviously they are sincere in their desire to court the old customers... except not us of course.

Currently the $5min tables are 6/5 and the $10min tables are 3/2... WITH 70% penetration, I might add.

This morning the only full 1D table was the $5 6/5 table out front, and every player was playing at least $10, while I got a heads-up game in the rear for 90min. zg

 

[Victoria]

Sounds good but?

I hope the reason the 6/5 table was full was only because the folks there had not figured out that 3/2 is back. Even though I am sure you enjoyed the heads up opportunity, if things continued with full 6/5 tables at some point management would say, why offer a good SD game when our bad SD game is loaded with players? So I think we really do need those fools who can not tell the difference to play the good game.
Also, by having these ploppys playing 3/2, the casino will make money of the game giving it longevity.
Victoria

 

[zengrifter]

I overheard some of them saying...

... "this table pays 6 and that one pays 3 and 6 is bigger than 3" bla bla bla zg

 

[stainless steel rat]

public education again

Seems that in addition to not teaching much that was taught when I went to school in the 60's, now we see kids that don't understand ratios at all either. I'll never forget the big lighted Marquee sign in Vegas this past summer "Single deck is back, and it pays a whopping 6:5 for blackjacks". "whopping" indeed...

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Seems to be getting better

At Circus Circus in Reno recently they had a big sign up announcing "Blackjack still pays 3:2". Looks like the casinos who offer the 3:2 are willing to do our educating for us to promote their own game over their competitors.

 

[stainless steel rat]

marketing...

I think the other half of the problem is "placement". Put a 6:5 at the front, put the 3:2 tables in the back. Then tell the casino management "the 6:5 tables are getting more action than the 3:2 tables, we ought to go 6:5 everywhere." Of course a grocery store manager knows that if he puts the store brand up front, the name brand back in the back, the store brand will sell more, even if it is an inferior product...

 

[zengrifter]

$5 3/2 games are now available as well...

... though the 6/5 games appear to be holding their own at the pits near the entrances. zg

 

[Sonny]

They do the same thing with lab rats

> ... though the 6/5 games appear to be holding their own at the pits near the
> entrances. zg

They set up one piece of cheese "on the square" and one with an electrical current attached to it. You would be surprised how many rats like the cheese so much that they don't mind the electrical shock.

If enough people play the 6:5 games, why bother offering 3:2 games? Well, it's a good way to filter out the smart customers. It doesn't take a genius, or even a floorman, to tell who the smart rats are.

-Sonny-

 

[LV Bear]

Disappointed

I have made two visits there, on day shift and swing. Both times there were at least two players at the real single deck games. I observed some dealers dealing marginally-playable Rule of 6, with other dealers delivering only a horrible Rule of 5 game. The place may be playable if you can get there at the right time to finds heads-up play, but I think it is not likely to be often. The pen on the double decks was horrible, and a CSM has been added to the mix.

 

[stainless steel rat]

HEY!

watch the denigrating references to "rats"

SSR

 

[Tom]

Sorry Sonny,6/5 is a loser.

Why do think think they're going back to 3/2,duh...it dont take a genious to figure that out,does it?

 

[zengrifter]

Go there on a slow mid-grave zone...

... and see if you don't get 70%/Ro7! zg

 

[Sonny]

No, really?

> Why do think think they're going back to 3/2,duh...it dont take a genious to
> figure that out,does it?

I think that was implied in my post.

-Sonny-

P.S.- Spellcheck
P.P.S.- Grammarcheck

 

[Sonny]

Nothing Personal!

I can't use analogies with monkeys out of respect for Automatic Monkey. I guess rats are off limits now that you've got the new handle. After looking at the other profiles on this site I'll also steer clear of LV bears, jack rabbits, cougars, cougar fans, gorilla counters, panther counters, dog hands (or even anything Like a Dog), mega possums, praying manti, sharks, and possibly jaxels (once I figure out what they are).

I'll probably also avoid Greasy John if he's anything like the old stories describe, although that's exactly what he would want!

-Stainless Steel Sonny-

 

[Tom]

You seem to be implying

that 6/5 is a good game for the casinos use and benefit from because it filters out smart players. A typical average BJ player knows a 6/5 blackjack is less pay than 3/2. You dont have to be smart to figure that out, it's only common sense.

Just because a player refuses to play 6/5 does not mean he's NOT a ploppy.

 

[Sonny]

Among other things, yes.

> You seem to be implying that 6/5 is a good game for the casinos use and
> benefit from because it filters out smart players.

To some degree, yes. The 6:5 games can benefit the house in numerous ways, only one of which is raking in more money.

> A typical average BJ player knows a 6/5 blackjack is less pay than 3/2.

Yes, but do they know how much that changes the game? Do they know that the house edge might be over six times worse? Do they know that the odds might be twice as bad as playing craps? These facts may not be common sense to typical players. Many uneducated players will play the 6:5 games because they don't think they are as bad as they really are.

> Just because a player refuses to play 6/5 does not mean he's NOT a ploppy.

True, but if a player DOES play a 6:5 game you can be assured that he IS a ploppy, or at least not an educated player.

-Sonny-