Suncruz Port Richey

[Lonesome Gambler]

Has anyone been on this one before? Suncruz Port Richey. It appears to be one of the only West Coast ships in Florida still operating north of Tampa Bay, and although I couldn't seem to drudge up much info, it looks like we're looking at one single-deck game (that looks kind of lame) and a couple of 8-deckers, 80%, DAS, S17. It seems that these are $5/$10/$25 tables, but there are only 5 or 6 of them on the ship? Anyway, my guess is that you could get away with some very casual wonging. Any insight?

 

[moo321]

Has anyone been on this one before? Suncruz Port Richey. It appears to be one of the only West Coast ships in Florida still operating north of Tampa Bay, and although I couldn't seem to drudge up much info, it looks like we're looking at one single-deck game (that looks kind of lame) and a couple of 8-deckers, 80%, DAS, S17. It seems that these are $5/$10/$25 tables, but there are only 5 or 6 of them on the ship? Anyway, my guess is that you could get away with some very casual wonging. Any insight?

Yeah, you can usually wong on cruise ships. It's pretty lame, though: you wait for an hour to sail into international waters, play maybe 3 hours, and then wait another hour to sail back.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Well, this one's a bit different in that it's essentially an anchored ship in international waters and you take a ferry to/from the main ship. If you really wanted to, you could take the ferry out at 10AM and come back on the 1AM ferry. Plus, free parking, no admission fee, and I hear they have generous comps. Hmm...

 

[FLASH1296]

If it is in international waters you have no recourse if cheated.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Duly noted.

 

[moo321]

Well, this one's a bit different in that it's essentially an anchored ship in international waters and you take a ferry to/from the main ship. If you really wanted to, you could take the ferry out at 10AM and come back on the 1AM ferry. Plus, free parking, no admission fee, and I hear they have generous comps. Hmm...

Oh, that makes it better.

 

[johndoe]

If it i sin international waters you have no recourse if cheated.

I've never heard of a cruise going all the way to international waters; usually they just go far enough to get to federal territory, not state.

 

[Doofus]

If it i sin international waters you have no recourse if cheated.

It's also a long swim back when they 86 you.

 

[FLASH1296]

It is my understanding that ALL offshore gambling boats from all states use the 3 mile "International Waters" to operate.

 

[johndoe]

It is my understanding that ALL offshore gambling boats from all states use the 3 mile "International Waters" to operate.

Most countries, including the US, use 12 miles to designate international waters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters

Most states use 3-6 nautical miles as their territory, and the cruise ships only need to go this far. Outside of this is federal waters.

That being said, even if they did have gambling only in international waters, I'm pretty sure they could still be sued in state or federal court, in the jurisdiction where the boat is docked. (Fraud or theft, for example.)

 

[FLASH1296]

There are sate laws re: gambling.

There are no Federal statutes.

Ergo, only the initial 3 miles is meaningful.

Besides the gambling boats move so slowly that it takes about an hour to move three miles.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Well, here's how it works for this particular boat:

A ferry takes you 9 miles out to the casino ship, which is anchored at sea. At the end of the day (11:20PM), the casino closes down and come halfway to port, at which point the ferry picks up the last passengers and casino personnel. So, in effect, you can take the earliest ferry and leave at close, having 12 solid hours of playing if you chose to do so. The catch: there is only one area for table games, and it's TINY. There's a craps table, roulette, Let it Ride, 3-card, and 4 blackjack tables. That's it. As for the blackjack tables, you're looking at $5/200, 4-4.5/6 (dealer dependent), S17, DAS, RS3, NS. Not great by any means, but it seems like you could probably get away with a big spread. Either way, nothing to get excited about.

 

[captd]

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Most countries, including the US, use 12 miles to designate international waters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters

Most states use 3-6 nautical miles as their territory, and the cruise ships only need to go this far. Outside of this is federal waters.

That being said, even if they did have gambling only in international waters, I'm pretty sure they could still be sued in state or federal court, in the jurisdiction where the boat is docked. (Fraud or theft, for example.)

That is in the Gulf of Mexico and the state waters are 9 miles. if that makes any difference to anyone.