"Super fun 21"

[DeTalores]

I'll explain the rules first, a local casino has a single deck blackjack game. They deal 5 hands if 1 player, 4 if 2 players, etc...

You can double down at any time.
Blackjack only pays 1:1 unless its a diamond blackjack then 3:2.
5 card 21 pays 2:1
6 cards without busting is 1:1
You can surrender.
And insurance is offered.

Could you make a profit with these rules while counting cards?
What would be the best way to do do if you can?

 

[Cardcounter]

Actually a diamond blackjack pays 2:1, you can double on any 2,3,4 cards, you can double down on split cards including split aces, all other blackjack pay even money no matter what even if the dealer has a blackjack. House edge from first hand is .9% yes it is beatable by counting but it much harder to beat than regular blackjack.

 

[DeTalores]

Well do you think it'd be easier for beginning card counters to count that and make a profit than a 6 or 8 deck game?

 

[SystemsTrader]

Well do you think it'd be easier for beginning card counters to count that and make a profit than a 6 or 8 deck game?

Since you are new to the game stick to the 6 and 8 deckers at the start. SF21 requires a little more homework on your part, you will need to do some of your own sims.

 

[shadroch]

Well do you think it'd be easier for beginning card counters to count that and make a profit than a 6 or 8 deck game?

No!

 

[moo321]

There an article on this floating around somewhere. I believe the zen count works very well for this game.

Edit: found it: http://web.archive.org/web/20050205123604/http://www.cardcounter.com/SuperFun21.htm

 

[Cardcounter]

Stragedy mistakes are much more common in super fun 21 than in regular blackjack. The stragedys from regular 21 and super fun 21 change quit a bit.
Do I double on 9 or hit and hope that I catch a 2?
So I can have a 3 card 11 which I can double on.
Do I double down when I have A-2 A-3 A-4 A-5?
Do I surrend my double down when I'm stiff and the dealer has a 7-Ace up?
Do I remember to hit out my split aces because I'm used to not being allowed to hit them out?
Played perfectly the house has an edge of .9% off the first hand of the deal.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Well do you think it'd be easier for beginning card counters to count that and make a profit than a 6 or 8 deck game?

Not a good plan. Learn the basics first, on games that you can play anywhere instead of just a few tables, then after you have your experience and bankroll you can branch out into the BJ derivatives.

 

[DeTalores]

Thanks for all the helpful replies.
Was just curious because I had watched a couple of my friends play this game a couple times =]