Surrender after Splits?

[SleightOfHand]

If this option was available, what gain would there be?

 

[EasyRhino]

My guess would be small, as it would only be likely to occur when dealing with 8,8 v AT9, and 9,9 v 9.

 

[SleightOfHand]

My guess would be small, as it would only be likely to occur when dealing with 8,8 v AT9, and 9,9 v 9.

Oh yea, very true Easy. Now out of curiosity, does anyone have any numbers on this?

 

[Sonny]

Oh yea, very true Easy. Now out of curiosity, does anyone have any numbers on this?

Wong does, but I don't have his book with me right now. I'll try to dig it up when I get home tonight.

-Sonny-

 

[suicyco maniac]

Wong does, but I don't have his book with me right now. I'll try to dig it up when I get home tonight.

-Sonny-

I'll help you out Sonny. Wong's Basic Blackjack says less then .01% which makes sense since the frequency would be pretty low.

 

[Mimosine]

since this is a pretty obscure topic, wouldn't basic strategy change a bit on some splits with this rule?

i.e. splitting on hands that you normally wouldn't.

Some splits are +EV but hitting or standing is more +EV.
If you had the option to surrender, surely some a few of these combinations might change, like splitting 6s against 7 as a very rough guess. maybe 9s against 7 might be a stronger case. I have BJA here in my office, but am too lazy to sift through it while I am on the proverbial clock.

M.

 

[suicyco maniac]

since this is a pretty obscure topic, wouldn't basic strategy change a bit on some splits with this rule?

i.e. splitting on hands that you normally wouldn't.

Some splits are +EV but hitting or standing is more +EV.
If you had the option to surrender, surely some a few of these combinations might change, like splitting 6s against 7 as a very rough guess. maybe 9s against 7 might be a stronger case. I have BJA here in my office, but am too lazy to sift through it while I am on the proverbial clock.

M.

BS for late surrender does not involve any surrendering against a dealers 7 so even if we end up with stiffs after splitting against the dealers 7 we should be better off hitting them then surrendering (assuming a neutral deck) The only time this may be different is on Ace splits where we are not allowed to hit after splitting.

 

[Mimosine]

BS for late surrender does not involve any surrendering against a dealers 7 so even if we end up with stiffs after splitting against the dealers 7 we should be better off hitting them then surrendering (assuming a neutral deck) The only time this may be different is on Ace splits where we are not allowed to hit after splitting.

right.... i must have overthunk (or under!) this...