Surrender "For More"......My Single 21 Experience.

[phantom007]

During recent Tunica trip, was playing BJ tourney at "Ball-Me's".

Killing time between sessions (I ultimately lost in the Tourney), I ventured to one of their 2 Single21 tables.

FYI, "Single-21" is a "mutant" of SF-21....both games are SD, offer Late Surrender, and then offer "EVEN LATER SURRENDER", i.e., Surr. after hit(s) and/or DD's, DD anytime, some 5-6 card payoffs, etc. Further, in Single21, "Touching" Like Cards can split, excluding to avoid a bust.

For example, if I were dealt a 6 then an Ace, then drew another Ace, I could split Aces, still play out my A,6, etc. But if I were dealt a 6,10, then hit a "10", I would bust, NOT play out my 16 plus my "touching" 10-card.

And, unlike SF21, wherein only "single-suited BJ's" pays 3:2, and usually Diamonds, in Single21, all Suited BJ's pay 3:2.

ANYHOW, played the game. 3 Rounds to 3 Players (SUCKS!). Spread 3:1....previously had overheard PC's phone conversation "with...someone upstairs"...

"We have a CC on Table 007 (Damn, my Table). He is a Tourney Player. We need to make a Decision! What should we do?" Apparently, they chose to leave that poor guy alone. GRIN!

BUT, as is my style, I TIP in +EV situations. My "Big Bet" was topped by a $1. tip-bet "riding-on-top" for the dealer. However, the 10,6 I was dealt deserved a "Surrender" against Dealer's 10 in a +++ Ct.

I thus Surrendered 1/2 of my bet, and expected return of 1/2 of my "Tip Bet" as well....."I am sorry sir, but we no longer have 'quarters'"....therefore, took my "RIDING $" in full.

I said, "Fine, next time, I get the extra!".

But "Next Time", Dealer took it again! I called over PC, who said this was "standard policy".

Luckily, I pounded their ASS anyhow....a little skill, and alot of LUCK in Triple-Quad. Splits, with DD's to boot.

KUDOS to Ball-Me's.....EXCELLENT Tourney! Decent Room, Great Food, and Wildcard #36 won 7th Place ($3,500.), and Wild-card #7, for the Final Table, won the whole she-bang, $62K!

phantom007 ended up with a $500. Ball-Me's flannel shirt, and lots of experience....basically next tourney, bet the MAX!

ph.7.

 

[The Mayor]

Sounds like an interesting time

Could you NOT surrender the $1 rider bet and play the hand out, while surrendering your main bet? I mean, that $1 is for the dealer, so she should get to play the hand... Otherwise you are surrendering 100% ... that can't be +EV.

 

[Dog Hand]

Lazy Dealers...

phantom007,

You probably had a lazy dealer who didn't feel like doing the math.

Since suited BJ's pay 3:2, I assume they have $2.50 chips (generally pink or blue) so they can pay, for example, $22.50 on a $15 3:2 win. If not, do they also cheat the players out of $0.50 on these plays, too?

Now, if your total bet is $11 (2 reds and 1 white), then when you surrender you should receive $5.50: that's one $2.50 and three whites. However, I've often had lazy dealers who simply want to take the red and the white, and return just one red. I've found that when I point out the correct payout, they grudgingly oblige.

Just my $0.50 worth!

Dog Hand

 

[phantom007]

No....I called over PC who verified that "ODD-Surrenders go-to-the House".

 

[Dog Hand]

"Odd Surrenders"

phantom007,

An "odd surrender" is a surrender of an amount that cannot be halved using the standard cheques at the table. For example, assume a player on a nickel table surrenders a $7.50 bet (one red plus one pink). In a perfect world, the player and the casino would each receive $3.75. However, since most casinos don't have $0.25 cheques, they round down and so keep $4.00 and return $3.50 to the player: that's an "odd surrender".

However, as long as the casino has $2.50 cheques (or $0.50 pieces or cheques), any integer dollar bet on a nickel table can be halved.

Dog Hand