T-Hopper. where are posts ?
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zengrifter
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I couldn't find the link, but TH is saying that, contrary to popular opinion emergent from megalaDON's paradigm, learning an extra 50+ i#s CAN make a not-insignificant improvement in 6-8D games. zg
LOL, I love your editorial snippets ZG but, didnt you also give accolades to Adam N subtractum's post on the validity and applicablity of side counting in multi deck shoes. (POM)
In that post ANS made frequent refernce to TH's postings.
Thank you for your synopsis of those posts. : ) I do think there must be value to reviewing them first hand as well as Reid, Humble, Griffin and others...
Brad
In that post ANS made frequent refernce to TH's postings.
Thank you for your synopsis of those posts. : ) I do think there must be value to reviewing them first hand as well as Reid, Humble, Griffin and others...
Brad
My original post has finally cycled off the Card Counting Systems board and into the members only archives. That is why I reposted it just a few days ago on this site. You may have noticed my follow-up post, "Single Deck Bombshell: Playing Strategy is Everything" still on the board at (Dead link: http://www.bjrnet.com/thop/board_systems.htm)
Here is what you asked for:
(Dead link: http://www.cardcounter.com/main.pl/read=2430) (embedded link doesn't work)
http://www.bjrnet.com/thop
http://www.bjrnet.com/thop/sample3dchart.png
Or download T-H Basic Blackjack and get all 4 charts along with everything else.
http://www.bjrnet.com/thop/T-H_Basic_Blackjack.zip
The 3D charts in Bushido Blackjack are slightly different, covering the Basic, Intermediate, and Advanced versions of that count.
Here is what you asked for:
(Dead link: http://www.cardcounter.com/main.pl/read=2430) (embedded link doesn't work)
http://www.bjrnet.com/thop
http://www.bjrnet.com/thop/sample3dchart.png
Or download T-H Basic Blackjack and get all 4 charts along with everything else.
http://www.bjrnet.com/thop/T-H_Basic_Blackjack.zip
The 3D charts in Bushido Blackjack are slightly different, covering the Basic, Intermediate, and Advanced versions of that count.
Bad link
(Dead link: http://www.bjrnet.com/thop/board_systems.htm) should just be
http://www.bjrnet.com/board_systems.htm
(Dead link: http://www.bjrnet.com/thop/board_systems.htm) should just be
http://www.bjrnet.com/board_systems.htm
zengrifter
Banned
Re: Bad link WHERE...
... is the 6D Bombshell post? zg
... is the 6D Bombshell post? zg
zengrifter
Banned
LOL, I love your editorial snippets ZG but, didnt you also give accolades to Adam N subtractum's post on the validity and applicablity of side counting in multi deck shoes. (POM)
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The main thrust of Adam's '21st Century' post was that there is an easier yet more accurate method of side-counting Aces, for play-efficiency, not about shoes per'se, but the shoes can improve close to 20% with more i#s, etc. zg
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The main thrust of Adam's '21st Century' post was that there is an easier yet more accurate method of side-counting Aces, for play-efficiency, not about shoes per'se, but the shoes can improve close to 20% with more i#s, etc. zg
Repost: 6D Bombshell:
..Playing Strategy Is Key
[Note: My simulator now has even more powerful systems for both betting and playing than the T-H Expert/Dirty 32 combined system. I plan to update this material and make it a permanent part of my web site]
I ran a series of simulations using my series of systems and also K-O Core from Knock-Out Blackjack by Ken Fuchs and Olaf Vancura and the "Dirty 32" from James Grosjean's book Beyond Counting. In all of these simulations, the same count was used for betting(2-7 +1 10, Ace -1).
6 decks 4.5 dealt S17 DAS No Splitting 10s 2 players 1-10 unit bet spread
ROI is defined as the Win/100 Hands divided by the bankroll necessary for a 10% risk of ruin.
These numbers clearly show that even in a 6D game with a mediocre cut, there is a lot to be gained by using proper count-based playing strategy variation.
..Playing Strategy Is Key
[Note: My simulator now has even more powerful systems for both betting and playing than the T-H Expert/Dirty 32 combined system. I plan to update this material and make it a permanent part of my web site]
I ran a series of simulations using my series of systems and also K-O Core from Knock-Out Blackjack by Ken Fuchs and Olaf Vancura and the "Dirty 32" from James Grosjean's book Beyond Counting. In all of these simulations, the same count was used for betting(2-7 +1 10, Ace -1).
6 decks 4.5 dealt S17 DAS No Splitting 10s 2 players 1-10 unit bet spread
Code:
Playing Strategy ROI Strategy Variations
K-O Core 0.10% Insurance only; "generic" basic strategy
T-H Basic 0.13% Insurance only; dollar-weighted basic strategy
T-H Intermediate 0.15% Top 2 dozen plays
T-H Advanced 0.17% Full set
T-H Expert 0.19% Extended set with ace side count
Dirty 32 0.20% Top 32 plays with custom multi-level counts for each
T-H Expert/Dirty 32 0.22% Combination of the above 2 systemsThese numbers clearly show that even in a 6D game with a mediocre cut, there is a lot to be gained by using proper count-based playing strategy variation.
zengrifter
Banned
Can you roughly quantify...
...for us the approximate relative extra gain that 60 i#s will garner versus 20 in a 6D decent pene game? 20%? zg
...for us the approximate relative extra gain that 60 i#s will garner versus 20 in a 6D decent pene game? 20%? zg
Adam N. Subtractum
Well-Known Member
Roughly quantified...
zg, the following is an excerpt from a post by chem nerd at BJMath.com, in which he presents his final analysis (for 6D) after a few threads of discussion.
I believe T-hop participated in these threads as well, and perhaps he will comment more on the subject.
-60 Hi-Lo Indices-
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Game: 6D, S17, 75% pen, Hi-Lo (indices from Wong's PBJ)
Betting scheme: 1 at TC<=1, 2 at TC 2, 4 at TC 3, 6 at TC 4, 2 hands of 6 at TC 5.
play dev_index_%gain_cum_rel
insurance 3 0.114 0.114 33.4
16 v. 10 0 0.041 0.155 45.3
15 v. 10 4 0.019 0.174 51.0
12 v. 4 0 0.018 0.192 56.3
12 v. 3 2 0.015 0.207 60.6
11 v. A 1 0.012 0.219 64.2
13 v. 2 0 0.012 0.231 67.7
10 v. 10 4 0.008 0.239 69.9
12 v. 5 -1 0.007 0.246 72.0
12 v. 2 3 0.007 0.253 74.0
16 v. A 8 0.006 0.259 75.8
10 v. A 4 0.006 0.264 77.4
9 v. 2 1 0.005 0.270 79.0
13 v. 3 -1 0.005 0.275 80.4
9 v. 3 0 0.004 0.278 81.5
soft 19 v. 6 1 0.004 0.282 82.6
16 v. 9 5 0.004 0.285 83.6
9 v. 7 3 0.003 0.289 84.6
15 v. A 10 0.003 0.292 85.5
8 v. 6 1 0.003 0.295 86.3
13 v. 4 -3 0.002 0.297 87.0
12 v. 6 0 0.002 0.300 87.7
10 v. 9 -1 0.002 0.302 88.4
soft 19 v. 5 1 0.002 0.304 89.0
8 v. 5 3 0.002 0.306 89.5
14 v. 2 -3 0.002 0.308 90.1
soft 20 v. 6 4 0.002 0.309 90.6
soft 13 v. 5 0 0.002 0.311 91.0
16 v. 8 7 0.001 0.312 91.4
6-6 v. 3 0 0.001 0.314 91.8
soft 19 v. 4 3 0.001 0.315 92.2
13 v. 5 -4 0.001 0.316 92.6
9 v. 4 -2 0.001 0.317 92.9
soft 18 v. 2 0 0.001 0.318 93.2
soft 20 v. 5 5 0.001 0.319 93.6
14 v. 3 -4 0.001 0.321 93.9
15 v. 9 8 0.001 0.322 94.2
soft 14 v. 5 -1 0.001 0.322 94.4
3-3 v. 4 0 0.001 0.323 94.7
11 v. 10 -4 0.001 0.324 95.0
15 v. 2 -5 0.001 0.325 95.2
soft 15 v. 4 0 0.001 0.326 95.4
6-6 v. 2 2 0.001 0.327 95.6
soft 13 v. 4 3 0.001 0.327 95.8
17 v. A -6 0.001 0.328 96.0
8 v. 4 5 0.001 0.329 96.2
14 v. 4 -6 0.001 0.329 96.4
16 v. 7 9 0.001 0.330 96.6
soft 14 v. 4 1 0.001 0.330 96.7
9 v. 5 -4 0.001 0.331 96.9
9-9 v. 2 0 0.000 0.331 97.0
soft 19 v. 3 5 0.000 0.332 97.2
soft 20 v. 4 6 0.000 0.332 97.3
15 v. 3 -6 0.000 0.333 97.5
9 v. 8 7 0.000 0.333 97.6
10 v. 8 -4 0.000 0.334 97.7
soft 17 v. 2 1 0.000 0.334 97.9
15 v. 8 10 0.000 0.335 98.0
14 v. 5 -7 0.000 0.335 98.1
soft 13 v. 6 -1 0.000 0.335 98.2
zg, the following is an excerpt from a post by chem nerd at BJMath.com, in which he presents his final analysis (for 6D) after a few threads of discussion.
I believe T-hop participated in these threads as well, and perhaps he will comment more on the subject.
-60 Hi-Lo Indices-
--------------------------------------------
Game: 6D, S17, 75% pen, Hi-Lo (indices from Wong's PBJ)
Betting scheme: 1 at TC<=1, 2 at TC 2, 4 at TC 3, 6 at TC 4, 2 hands of 6 at TC 5.
play dev_index_%gain_cum_rel
insurance 3 0.114 0.114 33.4
16 v. 10 0 0.041 0.155 45.3
15 v. 10 4 0.019 0.174 51.0
12 v. 4 0 0.018 0.192 56.3
12 v. 3 2 0.015 0.207 60.6
11 v. A 1 0.012 0.219 64.2
13 v. 2 0 0.012 0.231 67.7
10 v. 10 4 0.008 0.239 69.9
12 v. 5 -1 0.007 0.246 72.0
12 v. 2 3 0.007 0.253 74.0
16 v. A 8 0.006 0.259 75.8
10 v. A 4 0.006 0.264 77.4
9 v. 2 1 0.005 0.270 79.0
13 v. 3 -1 0.005 0.275 80.4
9 v. 3 0 0.004 0.278 81.5
soft 19 v. 6 1 0.004 0.282 82.6
16 v. 9 5 0.004 0.285 83.6
9 v. 7 3 0.003 0.289 84.6
15 v. A 10 0.003 0.292 85.5
8 v. 6 1 0.003 0.295 86.3
13 v. 4 -3 0.002 0.297 87.0
12 v. 6 0 0.002 0.300 87.7
10 v. 9 -1 0.002 0.302 88.4
soft 19 v. 5 1 0.002 0.304 89.0
8 v. 5 3 0.002 0.306 89.5
14 v. 2 -3 0.002 0.308 90.1
soft 20 v. 6 4 0.002 0.309 90.6
soft 13 v. 5 0 0.002 0.311 91.0
16 v. 8 7 0.001 0.312 91.4
6-6 v. 3 0 0.001 0.314 91.8
soft 19 v. 4 3 0.001 0.315 92.2
13 v. 5 -4 0.001 0.316 92.6
9 v. 4 -2 0.001 0.317 92.9
soft 18 v. 2 0 0.001 0.318 93.2
soft 20 v. 5 5 0.001 0.319 93.6
14 v. 3 -4 0.001 0.321 93.9
15 v. 9 8 0.001 0.322 94.2
soft 14 v. 5 -1 0.001 0.322 94.4
3-3 v. 4 0 0.001 0.323 94.7
11 v. 10 -4 0.001 0.324 95.0
15 v. 2 -5 0.001 0.325 95.2
soft 15 v. 4 0 0.001 0.326 95.4
6-6 v. 2 2 0.001 0.327 95.6
soft 13 v. 4 3 0.001 0.327 95.8
17 v. A -6 0.001 0.328 96.0
8 v. 4 5 0.001 0.329 96.2
14 v. 4 -6 0.001 0.329 96.4
16 v. 7 9 0.001 0.330 96.6
soft 14 v. 4 1 0.001 0.330 96.7
9 v. 5 -4 0.001 0.331 96.9
9-9 v. 2 0 0.000 0.331 97.0
soft 19 v. 3 5 0.000 0.332 97.2
soft 20 v. 4 6 0.000 0.332 97.3
15 v. 3 -6 0.000 0.333 97.5
9 v. 8 7 0.000 0.333 97.6
10 v. 8 -4 0.000 0.334 97.7
soft 17 v. 2 1 0.000 0.334 97.9
15 v. 8 10 0.000 0.335 98.0
14 v. 5 -7 0.000 0.335 98.1
soft 13 v. 6 -1 0.000 0.335 98.2
Adam N. Subtractum
Well-Known Member
cumulative & relative