Talk about poor games

[aslan]

18 hours of play at Borgata and I'm up a fat $300, a 100 of which I deposited in a JOB 9/6 VP machine. Spent most of my time digging out of holes, one time as much as $2,700. l almost made out better on a 5 cent slot. I was waiting downstairs for my wife to come down for dinner, and I put a $10 bill in one of those machines that have umpteen lines and several bet levels. I just wanted to pass the time so I selected 1 betting unit (5 cents) and five lines, so that's 25 cents a pull. I hit something or other that gave me ten free automatic spins. It hit something during the ten spins, I don't know what, but when the machine stopped spinning I was at $238 about the time my wife came down. I almost did better at slots in 5 minutes than I did playing BJ for 18 hours. :whip:

Next trip will be somewhere in PA, I can guarantee you that.

 

[21forme]

Games aren't poor because you don't win. They're poor because of rules, pen, etc.
More than once, I've played a DD, S17, DAS game with 10 cards cut off and lost. I don't call that a poor game (what I call poor is their pen is now 50%!)

 

[aslan]

Games aren't poor because you don't win. They're poor because of rules, pen, etc.
More than once, I've played a DD, S17, DAS game with 10 cards cut off and lost. I don't call that a poor game (what I call poor is their pen is now 50%!)

Of course no one could argue with that. But over an extended period of time, win rate is indicative of the poor rules and pen, and that has been my experience. For example, my wins at the XXXBorgataXXX have become leaner over the past three years, and coincidentally, especially this past year with the advent of more 8 deck games and poorer pen, unless you found a dealer I couldn't find. Used to be you could find really good pen if you looked hard enough--maybe, I didn't look hard enough. Anyway, I am attributing the small win to the general overall poorer games, even though I could have lost in a much better game with better rules.

Give me a S17 DAS DD game with ten card cutoff and I'll "make" it into a winning game over time. Otherwise, what would be the point of playing? Anyway, you know what I mean. I'm too tired to mince words this morning. Grrrrr! AghhhhH! Wake me up whem we get home. :sleep:

 

[21forme]

I know what you mean. Just had to give you a hard time :grin:

Even when the Borg had mostly 6D BJ games, I found myself frequently playing the game at the end of the pit near main entrance with all the Chihuly glass - the one without the Ts. The key to any form of financial success is diversify!

 

[Thunder]

They were cutting off about 1 1/2 decks when I was there last for the 8 deck games. Is that no longer the case?

 

[aslan]

They were cutting off about 1 1/2 decks when I was there last for the 8 deck games. Is that no longer the case?

Sometimes 1 1/2...sometimes closer to two--my experience in 8 deck has been you need all the pen you can get, because the long plus runs are hard to come by. I used TKO which got me to the low end of the betting spread more quickly than KO, but reaching the high end of the betting spread (TC +4) in any sustained manner came few and far between.

 

[WABJ11]

PA here we come!

 

[blackchipjim]

Pa?

I wouldn't get too excited about going to Pa to tell you the truth. I haven't seen anything that impresses me there yet. Tables are still running scared and filled with yahoos even at 25min tables. I use to think higher min limets would eliminate the voodoo players but after back counting the tables and seeing how alot of them play. yuk!

 

[blackchipjim]

Penetration in Pa

I haven't seen decent pen in Pa to tell you the truth. Sometimes one of the dealers may slip and give a little more than usual which is marginal. Most of the time it's closer 2/8, 2/6 than 1.5. You may find a game that's playable but I have found that Pa joints are still too new to relax. As far as ploppies are concerned they don't effect your game. Some tables remind of church casino nights with people's playing so slow that your hands per hour is so low it makes the game worthless.

 

[aslan]

I haven't seen decent pen in Pa to tell you the truth. Sometimes one of the dealers may slip and give a little more than usual which is marginal. Most of the time it's closer 2/8, 2/6 than 1.5. You may find a game that's playable but I have found that Pa joints are still too new to relax. As far as ploppies are concerned they don't effect your game. Some tables remind of church casino nights with people's playing so slow that your hands per hour is so low it makes the game worthless.

Slow play due to inexperience is sometimes offset by incorrect payouts or hc-ing opportunities or 90% plus pen (I had it in W VA) or misdeals or other house errors that give advantages to the players. If they're slow, but otherwise perfect, I totally agree, unless you have no where to go anyway, like a few of us degenerate retirees. lol

 

[YumaTow]

Grantville used to slice about half the deck off for a few months, scared maybe. Been back and they've laxed a little, I'd say about 2 decks from the back which is a pretty good improvement. They're disposition is still on the flighty side, though. They get antsy any time someone starts playing for a hundred bucks or more. God forbid you go table limit.