The best way to beat a CSM

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Preston

Well-Known Member
I've figured it all out!!! But this will work best if you are outside of Vegas or AC where the stakes are generally lower.

Go up to a table that has a CSM. $10 minimum or so forth. Buy in for $5000. Make sure the pit boss sees you.

Then when you are about to place your first bet, pretend to notice the CSM. Then say "Color me up, I have bad luck against those stupid machines!" Then say you won't give any action to a table with a CSM.

Then if the pit boss speaks up, ask him to open a shoe game. This has worked for me in the past. (I didn't buy in for $5000, but the amount I had on me still worked.)
 
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rdorange

Well-Known Member
I was forced to play a CSM....YUCK! But profitable!

I have not been on line for quite some time....just made it back, glad to see the forum still active!

I was on a cruise recently and the only BlackJack was with CSM. Normally I refuse to play CSM. The only game I play is the DD pitch. Anyway, since it was a cruise and not a land based casino, I decided to play. Like any BJ player I tried to get any advantage possible...This is what I did.

There was always a full table of seven players. Dealer would load six decks in the machine. The machine would pre-load about a deck (+/-) of cards in the shoe to be delt. I don't know exactly how many, but when the cards got low the dealer would press a button on the machine and it would dispence more cards. The dealer would deal several rounds (sometimes as many as 5 or 6 rounds) before placing the discards back in the machine. The discard tray appeared to have about 3 to 3-1/2 decks in it before the cards were returned to the CSM. Thats not bad penetration considering you are playing at a table with a machine...most land based casinos would return the cards to the machine when one deck was in the discard tray.

I would start to count off the top of the deck as ususal. I would bet and play according to the count. No problem. When the cards from the discard tray were returned to the machine the count would start over as with a new shoe. There was definitely a chance to count and get small advantages.

I only played the $5 min table. Never could spread more than 3 or 4 units. Most of the time in positive counts, the high cards came, as expected. I did not always get them, but they were there (when they were supposed to be.)

Given these conditions, has anyone else ever found the dreaded "machine" to be playable?
 
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ace1

Member
I could see how that gave a small advantage although not one that could give you a massively good count, at my casino there used to use these up until a week ago after a refurb, i used to hate them but i never counted on them tbh i cant count to brill yet anyway but now they use it manually i might consider. :grin:
 
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