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Chaz7342

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Hi,

My name is Chad and I am new to this forum.

I was reading about this new Blackjack table being put in casinos called MindPlay. Basically it tracks everything automatically, the cards, the count, your bets, your number of hands played, etc. Based off this information, you will get comped accuratley and it will send red flags to pit bosses when it determines a player is a likely to be a card counter.

My question is this: When casinos replace their tables with MindPlay tables where does this leave the card counters and comp counters?

If you want more information on this product, you can go to their website at (Dead link: http://www.mindplay.biz) _www.mindplay.biz_. The best articles about the product are in the "media" section.

-Chaz
 
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Chaz7342

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MP21 *LINK*

wow, very interesting letter and response.

It seems inevitable that all casinos will eventually go to MP21. I guess the only reason a casino wouldn't install MP21 is if they think players would be turned off by them. But I think in the end casinos will realize they will make more money and finally have accurate data from their table games.

Where I play in CT (Mohegan Sun) they are definitely the future. Its going to cost them about 3 million dollars to install it across all their 130 tables ($23,000 per table).

-Chaz
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

Banned
Mindplay seems easy to beat

Here's one way. You'll need a partner. When it is time to change your bet, simply change it so that the sum of your two bets is the desired target.

Example: let's say both of you are spreading $25-300. On one high count, one of you bets $500, the other bets $100. On the next one, you reverse. On a medium count, one of you bets $50, the other $150. Each of the two players will appear to the computer to be betting at random.

There are probably ways to fool the scanner. How about a t-shirt with a stack of $100 chips printed on it? Sounds like comp players could have some fun with this.

By the way Chad, have you seen any Mindplay at Mohegan? Do you play there often?
 
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Tom

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Just like the flop of csm

Yeah,I remember when continuous shuffle machines came out. There was much talk and shilling of how great they were because of blah,blah,blah and the end for card counting was thought to be inevident. I never believed these guys touting their stuff for one second. Well, it just so happens the csms flopped out. Many casinos who tried these machines got rid of them. The list is too long to explain why. I also see mindplay as no big deal,it'll never catch on and it's very easy to actually play mindgames on this contraption leaving the machine in a state of "confused shock"...ouch!
 
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oldnewbie

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MindPlay

I noticed in their website that the system runs on Windows 2000 and a Windows server. I work with this stuff everyday, and I really don't think we have anything to worry about. After the casino finds out how much of a hassle all this hardware and software is to get up and running reliably, they will give up and just go back to the status quo.
 
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Chaz7342

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Mohegan Sun *LINK*

Automatic Monkey,

I play at Mohegan Sun at least 2 or 3 times a month. I haven't seen any mindplay tables yet but I know they are coming based on what I've heard from people that work there.

-Chad
 
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RELO

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Mindplay Experience

Several LV casinos are experimenting w/ MindPlay.
One new system I was playing on was already experiencing card reading technical difficulties, so the pit boss told the dealer to proceed anyway.
The MindPlay tables had very few players for good reason (even for ploppies).
The system is not transparent and seamless--significant delays occur due to the
requirement of sliding the dealer's cards into the reader (like hole card checking
for BJs, except for all dealer's hands).
The dealer also has to scan the cards after every shuffle and punch in
player buy-ins and playing position.
I switched seats on a particular table several times just to
observe the dealer's procedure (more delays).
Off-center bet placement seemed to go undetected by the scanner since the dealer would
always pause to recenter it.
I didn't test to see what would happen if my toke stack in front of
my bet was higher than my bet itself (e.g., two one's being toked in front
of a $25).
The casino changed their chips to accommodate MindPlay so I suspect
the chips are now easier for either an optical or RF detector pick up.

I estimated that MindPlay tends to slow the table action by ~25%.
This coupled with the fewer ploppies (due to the intimidation factor) and negative advantage card counters, the table holds must have dropped considerably.
Lower holds, more training, and of course the initial capital investment and
recurring licensing and maintenance costs will drive MindPlay out; however,
this may take several years.
 
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