The Western N Las Vegas...........
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Of course you get paid 3 to 2 *LINK*
...plus you get paid 3-2
You should not even consider playing a 6 to 5 ploppy ripoff game. Getting paid 3 to 2 on blackjacks is a given, not an "extra." The original poster undoubtedly knows this, but since the post was directed at beginners, I thought that stating the obvious may be helpful. See link below for other games to avoid.
...plus you get paid 3-2
You should not even consider playing a 6 to 5 ploppy ripoff game. Getting paid 3 to 2 on blackjacks is a given, not an "extra." The original poster undoubtedly knows this, but since the post was directed at beginners, I thought that stating the obvious may be helpful. See link below for other games to avoid.
the western hotel casino is in...
the city of las vegas, not north las vegas. there are one or two worthy games in the city of north las vegas, and of course, several more in the city of las vegas. the largest number of casino licensees are in clark county which begins south of sahara.
the city of las vegas, not north las vegas. there are one or two worthy games in the city of north las vegas, and of course, several more in the city of las vegas. the largest number of casino licensees are in clark county which begins south of sahara.
Where's the 3-2 games in clark county??????
Where's 3-2? In Clark County
Being recreational player of the count system playing single deck counting 3-6's adjanst Ten value cards, and keeping a side count of Ace's Where's the games around town that pay 3-2 w/single deck. LVBear woke me up when he spoke about the 6-5 game and that it's not good and 3-2 isn't an extra.
Thanks
Where's 3-2? In Clark County
Being recreational player of the count system playing single deck counting 3-6's adjanst Ten value cards, and keeping a side count of Ace's Where's the games around town that pay 3-2 w/single deck. LVBear woke me up when he spoke about the 6-5 game and that it's not good and 3-2 isn't an extra.
Thanks
get a copy of cbjn for what & where.
note that "strip" joints for the most part only offer 3:2 snapper pays on shoe games. "downtown" and "neighborhood" joints mostly still have 3:2 pays on pitch games. the grey/indistinct area is on the double deck games which are just starting to enjoy 6:5 payouts.
what's amazing to me is that the las vegas 21 games seem to perpetually hold around 15% +. i wonder just how much more they need to squeeze from the game before the tribal joints steal and permanently keep, erstwhile "visitors". in my many years of operating businesses i learned not to provide shade for a competitor. very rarely did i lose a customer because he "got a better deal" somewhere else. once lost, these customers are tough to get back. if nevada casino hold percentages rise significantly, there is little doubt that the long term effect will be a reduction in visitor-gamblers.
the greater aim within the nevada resort industry is for enhanced revenues from non-gaming sources, viz.: rising room rates; exorbitant "show" prices; new properties with multiple, $50+/diner meals; high-end shopping arcades; "tougher" comps for players/losers. i suggest that the trend toward "tightening" the benefits will long term reduce or at least, "plateau" the usually increasing visitor volume. like a car, without "r's", the horsepower is unimportant; in the gaming biz, without visitor volume, what's the difference how high might be the hold percentage ?
a thread was begun on the lv advisor freebie message board regarding how visitors choose a gaming destination. so far, the responses seem to be related to an anticipation of some "win". when the nevada resort association distances itself from that core business, could be that sizzle alone will no longer sell the steak. like the lady said..."where's the beef ?"
note that "strip" joints for the most part only offer 3:2 snapper pays on shoe games. "downtown" and "neighborhood" joints mostly still have 3:2 pays on pitch games. the grey/indistinct area is on the double deck games which are just starting to enjoy 6:5 payouts.
what's amazing to me is that the las vegas 21 games seem to perpetually hold around 15% +. i wonder just how much more they need to squeeze from the game before the tribal joints steal and permanently keep, erstwhile "visitors". in my many years of operating businesses i learned not to provide shade for a competitor. very rarely did i lose a customer because he "got a better deal" somewhere else. once lost, these customers are tough to get back. if nevada casino hold percentages rise significantly, there is little doubt that the long term effect will be a reduction in visitor-gamblers.
the greater aim within the nevada resort industry is for enhanced revenues from non-gaming sources, viz.: rising room rates; exorbitant "show" prices; new properties with multiple, $50+/diner meals; high-end shopping arcades; "tougher" comps for players/losers. i suggest that the trend toward "tightening" the benefits will long term reduce or at least, "plateau" the usually increasing visitor volume. like a car, without "r's", the horsepower is unimportant; in the gaming biz, without visitor volume, what's the difference how high might be the hold percentage ?
a thread was begun on the lv advisor freebie message board regarding how visitors choose a gaming destination. so far, the responses seem to be related to an anticipation of some "win". when the nevada resort association distances itself from that core business, could be that sizzle alone will no longer sell the steak. like the lady said..."where's the beef ?"
Gehrig, much to think about
I, like all of you, see the poor games in Vegas getting worse. Living in California I know of Indian Casinos where I can get a shoe game that is S-17, LSR, all the expected rules and penetration of 5/6 not unusual. Go to the strip and search and you can find this game but the limits may be a little high for you, or the place watches their games closely. I have found most California casinos do not watch the games or perhaps have the ability to analyse play as well as those in Vegas. They are crowded, loaded with bad players and bad machines, in other words they might as well be printing money.
I wonder if at this point in time, the strip has decided that between vacationers and convention goers who pay high rates, do not know the ins and outs of the games, pay for shows, meals etc etc, that they can now ignore gamblers who want decent rules and fill their places with casino fools. It is fairly obvious that the big corporate places have. If Gehrig is correct and someday the conventions will go elsewhere along with the vacation folks, Vegas may be in for a real recession. Yes, they will have a hard time getting the players back!
Another thought; though we look at blackjack, other games are worsening also. I know that finding favorable pay tables on VP machines on the strip is getting harder to do all the time.
I think the casino business in Vegas has gone through cycles before and this might be another one. At the same time it might never come back and just be either a successful evolution or unsuccessful evolution of the town. Changing it or damaging it beyond repair. For myself, less trips to Vegas makes sense if I can play locally in better games without much heat.
Victoria
I, like all of you, see the poor games in Vegas getting worse. Living in California I know of Indian Casinos where I can get a shoe game that is S-17, LSR, all the expected rules and penetration of 5/6 not unusual. Go to the strip and search and you can find this game but the limits may be a little high for you, or the place watches their games closely. I have found most California casinos do not watch the games or perhaps have the ability to analyse play as well as those in Vegas. They are crowded, loaded with bad players and bad machines, in other words they might as well be printing money.
I wonder if at this point in time, the strip has decided that between vacationers and convention goers who pay high rates, do not know the ins and outs of the games, pay for shows, meals etc etc, that they can now ignore gamblers who want decent rules and fill their places with casino fools. It is fairly obvious that the big corporate places have. If Gehrig is correct and someday the conventions will go elsewhere along with the vacation folks, Vegas may be in for a real recession. Yes, they will have a hard time getting the players back!
Another thought; though we look at blackjack, other games are worsening also. I know that finding favorable pay tables on VP machines on the strip is getting harder to do all the time.
I think the casino business in Vegas has gone through cycles before and this might be another one. At the same time it might never come back and just be either a successful evolution or unsuccessful evolution of the town. Changing it or damaging it beyond repair. For myself, less trips to Vegas makes sense if I can play locally in better games without much heat.
Victoria
zengrifter
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Which one?
"I know of Indian Casinos where I can get a shoe game that is S-17, LSR, 5/6 pene"
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Which one? zg
"I know of Indian Casinos where I can get a shoe game that is S-17, LSR, 5/6 pene"
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Which one? zg
For obvious reasons
send me an email at [email protected] and perhaps we can trade some info.
One thing, the pen is very dealer dependent but there are a few on each shift that offer good pen, the rest are all over the place.
Victoria
send me an email at [email protected] and perhaps we can trade some info.
One thing, the pen is very dealer dependent but there are a few on each shift that offer good pen, the rest are all over the place.
Victoria