This guy wants my seat. And he got it.

[BJgenius007]

This happened to me yesterday. Normally I don't mind people changing seats on me but it changed my luck dramatically yesterday.

Yesterday I was pretty lucky initially, at least on other people's eyes. Since I sat down, I won most of my hands while dealer also constantly made his hand and other people busted. I was sitting on the second seat and first base seat was empty. So the gentleman on my left hand moved to the first base. (What triggered him to move is that he saw me winning 4 big hands in a roll when true count was +2 then +3. I could see jealousy in his eyes.) Practically we swapped our hands after the change. Now he constantly made 19, 20 and 21 and I busted 4 out of my last 5. The dealer made a joke on this. He really enjoyed this since I spread $25 to $450 and the gentleman flat bet $10. And after the swap, the true count got to +4 then higher. These are the last two hands I played yesterday. The true count was +5. I had all in. I had 19 against dealer's low up card. He drew to 20. I played kewl and bought another $500. The dealer shown 10 and I had 12. The first base had 7 and 9. I told him the best play is to surrender. He said he never surrender. He got the 9 that would make mine 21. Then I draw to 15, then got another 5 to 20. I thought the worst could happen is a push. Well what do you know, dealer drew 3 cards to 21, just enough to beat me.

What do you guys do in this situation? Do you leave when people change the seats to take your luck. I thought science will prevail. But in this case, it did not. I am sure that gentleman thinks he made a great move and will do it again.

 

[NightStalker]

happens everytime

just ask them to pay you a green/black chip based on his/her betting to cover your losses

 

[zengrifter]

What do you guys do in this situation? Do you leave when people change the seats to take your luck. I thought science will prevail. But in this case, it did not.

Change the #hands you play? Take back the luck? zg

 

[Sharky]

can help as much as hurt...if it bothers you, sit at 2nd base seat, but play 1 base spot...pretty much locks that up!!! :cool2:

i do this often as i go to 2 spots in high counts

 

[assume_R]

can help as much as hurt

That's the key.

I don't see why it bothered you that somebody changed seats? You should know that it could have easily helped you. The science did prevail - the cards came out exactly as they should have, and variance meant that in this particular instance you didn't come out ahead, but I'm sure you've already taken variance into account when you've calculated your lifetime and session RoR. It didn't change your odds at each TC one iota. Next time somebody change seats, it might prevent you from losing a bunch of hands you "would have". In this situation, it happened to hurt you, but I hope you're not upset at him for doing it.

 

[creeping panther]

Real issue

The real issue here is the player switching seats in a clear attempt to get your cards. This is a clear example in my eyes of disrespect and needs to be handled as such.

I have had this happen to me once, maybe twice. I usually play 1st or third or middle in dd.

What I did was switch back and forth from 1 to 2 spots with each round, this drove the other player crazy and he left soon thereafter.

Actually I enjoy getting under peoples skin that I grow to dislike at the table, and if they want to raise it to another level,,,all the better.

CP

 

[assume_R]

The real issue here is the player switching seats in a clear attempt to get your cards.

So you're saying that while it indeed doesn't change your odds, their intentions could be malevolent and disrespectful towards you

 

[creeping panther]

Seats

So you're saying that while it indeed doesn't change your odds, their intentions could be malevolent and disrespectful towards you

For sure and for certain!

CP

 

[21gunsalute]

This happened to me yesterday. Normally I don't mind people changing seats on me but it changed my luck dramatically yesterday.

Yesterday I was pretty lucky initially, at least on other people's eyes. Since I sat down, I won most of my hands while dealer also constantly made his hand and other people busted. I was sitting on the second seat and first base seat was empty. So the gentleman on my left hand moved to the first base. (What triggered him to move is that he saw me winning 4 big hands in a roll when true count was +2 then +3. I could see jealousy in his eyes.) Practically we swapped our hands after the change. Now he constantly made 19, 20 and 21 and I busted 4 out of my last 5. The dealer made a joke on this. He really enjoyed this since I spread $25 to $450 and the gentleman flat bet $10. And after the swap, the true count got to +4 then higher. These are the last two hands I played yesterday. The true count was +5. I had all in. I had 19 against dealer's low up card. He drew to 20. I played kewl and bought another $500. The dealer shown 10 and I had 12. The first base had 7 and 9. I told him the best play is to surrender. He said he never surrender. He got the 9 that would make mine 21. Then I draw to 15, then got another 5 to 20. I thought the worst could happen is a push. Well what do you know, dealer drew 3 cards to 21, just enough to beat me.

What do you guys do in this situation? Do you leave when people change the seats to take your luck. I thought science will prevail. But in this case, it did not. I am sure that gentleman thinks he made a great move and will do it again.

If you didn't want someone to "steal your cards" or "change the flow" why didn't you just move over to the first betting spot? I mean if you realy felt that the first spot to see cards was getting all the good cards, that would have been the thing to do. Apparently he thought so and seized the opportunity. A shrewd move on his part.

Everything else is just water under the bridge. You could have protected your lucky spot but didn't. You could have jumped to 2 spots but didn't. If you really thought your luck was going to change so much for the worse you could have sat out, stopped playing or switched tables. Hindsight is always 20/20, but it almost sounds like you wanted to lose after the guy moved just so you could have something to complain about and post about it here. Sorry to be so harsh, but I really don't know what other type of response you could expect with a post like this.

 

[BJgenius007]

If you didn't want someone to "steal your cards" or "change the flow" why didn't you just move over to the first betting spot? I mean if you realy felt that the first spot to see cards was getting all the good cards, that would have been the thing to do. Apparently he thought so and seized the opportunity. A shrewd move on his part.

Because I believe science, math and counting will prevail. But in this case, it did not. Before the change, I won 70%+ of my hands. After the change, I only won 2 of my last 12 hands while the true count stayed above +3 all the time. As I said, normally I don't mind because it can easily help me as hurt me. But I am confused at the message God tried to send me yesterday.

 

[Canceler]

Because I believe science, math and counting will prevail. But in this case, it did not. Before the change, I won 70%+ of my hands. After the change, I only won 2 of my last 12 hands while the true count stayed above +3 all the time. As I said, normally I don't mind because it can easily help me as hurt me. But I am confused at the message God tried to send me yesterday.

I don’t know about God, but the science and math part should be telling you that you have what is technically known as a “LOL sample size”, and that short-term results are meaningless.

 

[21gunsalute]

Because I believe science, math and counting will prevail. But in this case, it did not. Before the change, I won 70%+ of my hands. After the change, I only won 2 of my last 12 hands while the true count stayed above +3 all the time. As I said, normally I don't mind because it can easily help me as hurt me. But I am confused at the message God tried to send me yesterday.

If you were winning 70% of your hands you certainly couldn't expect that to continue. Sooner or later the law of averages is going to catch up with you. If you really thought the 1st spot to see cards was blessed why not protect that spot? And why not jump to 2 spots if the count was always high?

I don't think God was trying to send you any kind of message, but if he was it was probably don't gamble...**** happens.

 

[21gunsalute]

It also sounds like you may have been over betting at the end if indeed you had won 70% of your hands previously and then went all in, had to reach back into your pocket for $500 and apparently went broke after losing only 10 of 12 hands. Not quite enough info there to be certain, but it does sound like you were over betting.

 

[assume_R]

you have what is technically known as a “LOL sample size”

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: canceler, i vote you make this your signature.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Because I believe science, math and counting will prevail. But in this case, it did not. Before the change, I won 70%+ of my hands. After the change, I only won 2 of my last 12 hands while the true count stayed above +3 all the time. As I said, normally I don't mind because it can easily help me as hurt me. But I am confused at the message God tried to send me yesterday.

If you must wax metaphysical about this- sure, God was sending you a message. It could be: "You are a sinner for patronizing a casino!" or "That guy had an emergency and needed the money a lot more than you do" or "I'm just messing with you, you'll get it all back and doubled next session" or "If you had won, you would have kept playing just long enough to hit that deer on the ride home and die." When you can tell me which one is correct, then you can concern yourself with God affecting blackjack hands. But most modern theology teaches that we should not expect divine intervention in the mundane. Modern science also teaches that we cannot correlate cause to effect beyond defined limits (butterfly flapping its wings, etc.) so you can't say with certainty if over the long run those hands were good or bad.

 

[paddywhack]

Love the post AM

If you must wax metaphysical about this- sure, God was sending you a message. It could be: "You are a sinner for patronizing a casino!" or "That guy had an emergency and needed the money a lot more than you do" or "I'm just messing with you, you'll get it all back and doubled next session" or "If you had won, you would have kept playing just long enough to hit that deer on the ride home and die." When you can tell me which one is correct, then you can concern yourself with God affecting blackjack hands. But most modern theology teaches that we should not expect divine intervention in the mundane. Modern science also teaches that we cannot correlate cause to effect beyond defined limits (butterfly flapping its wings, etc.) so you can't say with certainty if over the long run those hands were good or bad.

Couldn't have said it better myself.....

 

[BJgenius007]

If you must wax metaphysical about this- sure, God was sending you a message. It could be: "You are a sinner for patronizing a casino!" or "That guy had an emergency and needed the money a lot more than you do" or "I'm just messing with you, you'll get it all back and doubled next session" or "If you had won, you would have kept playing just long enough to hit that deer on the ride home and die." When you can tell me which one is correct, then you can concern yourself with God affecting blackjack hands. But most modern theology teaches that we should not expect divine intervention in the mundane. Modern science also teaches that we cannot correlate cause to effect beyond defined limits (butterfly flapping its wings, etc.) so you can't say with certainty if over the long run those hands were good or bad.

It is a notable experience because normally my winning percentage in a session fluctuates between 45% to 55%. And on Friday it is a clear cut I went from extreme good to extreme bad after the seating change.

 

[MountainMan]

It is a notable experience because normally my winning percentage in a session fluctuates between 45% to 55%. And on Friday it is a clear cut I went from extreme good to extreme bad after the seating change.

Really? You can't be serious! You are making decisions on the results of 12 hands. I don't think you understand the laws of probability. There is no expectation that the cards will "average out". The expectation is that the percentages will more closely approximate the mathematical probabilty given a large number of trials. You're talking about twelve hands! You owe it to yourself to get a realistic understanding of what you should expect from the game.

 

[Canceler]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: canceler, i vote you make this your signature.

That probably wouldn't be too bad, but I don't think I'll actually do it.

 

[21gunsalute]

It is a notable experience because normally my winning percentage in a session fluctuates between 45% to 55%. And on Friday it is a clear cut I went from extreme good to extreme bad after the seating change.

It is a notable experience because normally my winning percentage in a session fluctuates

That's all that needs to be said on the matter.