This One Got Me Wondering

Renzey

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Was back counting at a local house yesterday and spotted a 1-deck cutoff -- pretty unusual for this place. Count shot right up to +2 true, so I jumped in. Near the end of the shoe, we had an uncommonly high +9 true!

I had my max of 2 x 8 units each up there and was dealt an A/2 and an A/3. Dealer had a 10 up. Hitting my first hand, I caught a couple of babies to make a soft 18. The discard tray already looked like nearly five decks, but I reasoned I needed another hit and caught a 10.

Second hand, same scenario -- a 4 card soft 18! I was positive the cut card was very near and the true count was now a rare +12! (If you're a KO player, that's equal to +12 at this point in the shoe. With KISS III, it equals "31").
I was planning to exceed my normal betting limit with 2 x 10 units on the next round, but began to consider standing to preserve that there'd be a next round.

Unable to effectively weigh the alternatives effectively while "under-the-gun", I stuck to form and hit it, catching a 10. The dealer had 20. Still, I breathed a sigh of relief since the cut card still hadn't reared its ugly head. I smoothly put up my 2 x 10 units for the next round, and the first card out was the cut card. We never got the round off!

Driving home in the peace and quiet of my car, I began to evaluate the question of deliberately misplaying the soft 18 in exchange for quite possibly preserving the next round.
"Let's see, the penalty for standing with soft 18 vs. 10 is normally 4% of the bet -- but that's at a neutral count! What might it be at +12 true with so few low cards available to improve my hand and the dealer more likely than usual to have 20? And what was the likelihood that my very next hit would bring out the cut card? My advantage on the next blind round would be about 6% of 20 units".
Later at home, some software told me that the penalty for standing on soft 18 vs. 10 at +12 true was about 3% of the 8 units. So if the chance of the cut card being either of the next two cards was more than 20%, it would be better to stand. In retrospect, I'm sure that's what I should've done.
 

EasyRhino

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I'm surprised that the disadvantage by standing on that soft 18 (in a high count) was still so high, especially as that's one of the Ultimate Gambit camouflage tactics.
 

zengrifter

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Renzey said:
Later at home, some software told me that the penalty for standing on soft 18 vs. 10 at +12 true was about 3% of the 8 units. So if the chance of the cut card being either of the next two cards was more than 20%, it would be better to stand. In retrospect, I'm sure that's what I should've done.
YES. I've takn that approach many times, though I never properly analyzed it - just an intuitive thang - ESPECIALLY when the game featured LLs or R20s. zg
 

mdlbj

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From what I have experienced, there are no numbers plays for that specific hand so I would say you should have stuck with BS in that instance. I have not seen a game where they will stop playing after the cut card comes out or am I reading that wrong?
 
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Renzey

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But If.....

But if the cut card happens to be the very first card of a particular round, that round does not get dealt.

Even though there is no index number for standing with a soft 18 vs. 10, the quandary becomes whether to give up the 3% of an 8 unit bet by standing -- to increase the chance of being dealt another round with a 6% advantage and two 10 unit bets riding.
 

mdlbj

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Renzey said:
But if the cut card happens to be the very first card of a particular round, that round does not get dealt.

Even though there is no index number for standing with a soft 18 vs. 10, the quandary becomes whether to give up the 3% of an 8 unit bet by standing -- to increase the chance of being dealt another round with a 6% advantage and two 10 unit bets riding.
I understand now about the cut card position. On the other part, put the money out when you have the advantage! :)
 
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