this strategy is wrong, correct?
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iCountNTrack
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Surrendering your hard 17 against the dealer's ace is the correct play as the expectation value for standing is -65% while that of surrendering is -50%.
Surrendering is correct for a H17 game (dealer hits on soft 17's), but standing is correct for a S17 game. That's probably the source of your confusion.
http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/strategy/4deck.html
http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/strategy/4deck.html
SleightOfHand
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-65%?!?! I see ~-51.3%. -65% sounds waaay too big.iCountNTrack said:
iCountNTrack
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This includes the total ev including the dealer possibly having a BJ,SleightOfHand said:
iCountNTrack
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This true for late surrender, for early surrender, surrendering is the correct play regardless of whether you have an S17 or H17 gmae, but i guess ES vs Ace is a thing of the pastjohndoe said:
SystemsTrader
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politcat there are 12 different versions of basic strategy. What makes them different is the number of decks, whether you can double after split or if the dealer hits or stands on soft 17. So start off by memorizing the one you will play against most often. That will be your benchmark and then when you play games with different rules you can do an adjustment, some of them you will never play against like 1D S17 DAS.
1. 1D S17 DAS
2. 1D S17 NDAS
3. 1D H17 DAS
4. 1D H17 NDAS
5. 2D S17 DAS
6. 2D S17 NDAS
7. 2D H17 DAS
8. 2D H17 NDAS
9. Multi deck S17 DAS
10 Multi deck S17 NDAS
11 Multi deck H17 DAS
12 Multi deck H17 NDAS
1. 1D S17 DAS
2. 1D S17 NDAS
3. 1D H17 DAS
4. 1D H17 NDAS
5. 2D S17 DAS
6. 2D S17 NDAS
7. 2D H17 DAS
8. 2D H17 NDAS
9. Multi deck S17 DAS
10 Multi deck S17 NDAS
11 Multi deck H17 DAS
12 Multi deck H17 NDAS
Cardcounter
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Most places won't let you surrender so in that case the stragedy would be wrong. If you can't surrender the best play is to stand. If the rules offered early surrender 17 against an ace is a surronder.
hey!
thx for the responses. I just started learning BJ this week and it's amazing, all the stuff to learn/memorize
what version will I play most often...i better call around and see what's offered in my area (tampa bay). I only know about the seminole place. Anyone familiar?
edit: seminole rules... dealer hits on soft 17; double any card; double after split; 8 decks; insurance on ace. So it looks like it's #9 from above. Did I get that right?
thx for the responses. I just started learning BJ this week and it's amazing, all the stuff to learn/memorize
what version will I play most often...i better call around and see what's offered in my area (tampa bay). I only know about the seminole place. Anyone familiar?
edit: seminole rules... dealer hits on soft 17; double any card; double after split; 8 decks; insurance on ace. So it looks like it's #9 from above. Did I get that right?
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duanedibley
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Nope, #11. H17 = Dealer Hits Soft 17.politcat said:edit: seminole rules... dealer hits on soft 17; double any card; double after split; 8 decks; insurance on ace. So it looks like it's #9 from above. Did I get that right?
Will you be counting?
It looks like your game has a house edge of 0.66% and I believe the minimum is $25 per hand, unless you want to play the CSM game (which is un-countable) for a $10 minimum.
Be careful
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ok, #11. these abbreviations don't all make sense to meduanedibley said:Nope, #11. H17 = Dealer Hits Soft 17.
Will you be counting?
It looks like your game has a house edge of 0.66% and I believe the minimum is $25 per hand, unless you want to play the CSM game (which is un-countable) for a $10 minimum.
Be careful
counting? yes
CSM game? yikes! it may be since the minimum is indeed $10. I didn't ask, but I will. ha!