I can not post the details because it might identify me to the Casino where I play but the most annoying ploppy and biggest complainer I ever met is a BS player from your town. Actually made me go back to my Bronx upbringing as I asked her for her chips. She looked at me strange and I told her that if she wants me to play her way, I would, but only with her money.
To The Mayor
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learning to count
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"...I asked her for her chips. She looked at me strange and I told her that if she wants me to play her way, I would, but only with her money."
WOWWO what a come back! You nuked the ploppy!. If you dont mind I will use that! Great job Vicky! Sorry about the neg-vig for your trip. Its the old roller coaster.
One thing you may have to start looking at is the size of the bet to the size of the bank roll. For instance with a $5000 bank roll a safe spread is 1-7 at red chip level. In order to play your type of game you need ten grand to 20,000. This would keep your rate of ruin under5%. A lot of pros with mega bank rolls like to play at a 1 to 2 percent ROR. which means they play black but they are working a huge bankroll. I use BJRM software to plug in my figures. I firmly believe in playing according to the BR size. And your loss is common to what green chip level. Hell I was playing a 1-30 spread at red level in june and dropped $2400 at the end of the trip. This was 1600 of BR and 800 in early week's winnings. My variance has changed since then and I have been riding a big curling wave. We will see what happens next trip!
As aggressive as you are Vicky you should be hooking up with a AP wolf pack and start hunting for penetration and flashers. Sounds funny I know but the games are out there and a pack is better for hunting. Hit em hard, hit em fast, wong in, wong out, play in the envelope, keep em guessing!
WOWWO what a come back! You nuked the ploppy!. If you dont mind I will use that! Great job Vicky! Sorry about the neg-vig for your trip. Its the old roller coaster.
One thing you may have to start looking at is the size of the bet to the size of the bank roll. For instance with a $5000 bank roll a safe spread is 1-7 at red chip level. In order to play your type of game you need ten grand to 20,000. This would keep your rate of ruin under5%. A lot of pros with mega bank rolls like to play at a 1 to 2 percent ROR. which means they play black but they are working a huge bankroll. I use BJRM software to plug in my figures. I firmly believe in playing according to the BR size. And your loss is common to what green chip level. Hell I was playing a 1-30 spread at red level in june and dropped $2400 at the end of the trip. This was 1600 of BR and 800 in early week's winnings. My variance has changed since then and I have been riding a big curling wave. We will see what happens next trip!
As aggressive as you are Vicky you should be hooking up with a AP wolf pack and start hunting for penetration and flashers. Sounds funny I know but the games are out there and a pack is better for hunting. Hit em hard, hit em fast, wong in, wong out, play in the envelope, keep em guessing!
Reply to LTC
LTC
Thanks, but work and family keep me from going to Vegas more than 3x per year. The Chumash is not that far away but I just do not like the place.
You have my permission to use the line.
As far as bankroll. My income is good and a few years ago I inherited quite a bit and keyed 50K as a bankroll. I am up the past two years but instead of increasing the bankroll, use my winnings for treats. Perhaps not very professional on my part, but in this case it is my money.
LTC
Thanks, but work and family keep me from going to Vegas more than 3x per year. The Chumash is not that far away but I just do not like the place.
You have my permission to use the line.
As far as bankroll. My income is good and a few years ago I inherited quite a bit and keyed 50K as a bankroll. I am up the past two years but instead of increasing the bankroll, use my winnings for treats. Perhaps not very professional on my part, but in this case it is my money.
Rob McGarvey
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Re: Reply to LTC
In your case I would limit the size of my BJ BR by the size of the bets you fell comfy making, or that the casino will permit you to make. Do you consider your cover to be good Victoria? Many woman have that extra edge us guys can only dream about.
In your case I would limit the size of my BJ BR by the size of the bets you fell comfy making, or that the casino will permit you to make. Do you consider your cover to be good Victoria? Many woman have that extra edge us guys can only dream about.
my cover
I think that when I go to a place where I am not known I have no real cover problems. I can keep up conversations and the count without a problem and I will talk a lot. I generally will sit at 1st or 3rd, because that view lets me see all the cards without any head turns. An uncle of mine taught me and like him my bet spread may be unorthodox and may provide some cover. What I do is begin a shoe at $50 max is $250 but my spread is larger than 1X5 because if I do not wong out of a negative shoe, my bet goes down to $25. I do wong out a bit, but you know, small bladder and all. Also, I might go with either my uncle who counts or with a girl friend who does not. My uncle will generally be at a different table. My girlfriend will often sit or stand next to me, not playing, but we will be talking. She also knows the wong out signal.
At the place in Vegas where I am known, I would not be surprised if this one pit boss knows, I actually think she does. I made a comment earlier about a conversation we had, where she said something to the effect that I attracted better players to the table. There is a possibility that she believes that my play benifits the house even if they land up paying me. I can see it, I have sat down at tables and watched guys raise their bet amounts quite often, leading me to believe they were betting more because I am a fairly large better. It is kind of a competitive testosterone thing, I mean how can the big player at the table be a lady? This boss is no dummy and I think she sees this. I think it gets down to the opinion, do you hurt the house or not. I am amazed when I hear of a red chip player being asked to leave. Even if he spreads 10 to 1, a $50 bet occassionly from the few good players out there will not hurt the bottom line of a ploppy filled casino. Dumb management or over zealous new PC's trying to make points are the quilty parties here often. Having a winner at some of their tables is good public relations. Also, as an engineer by profession, I never look like an engineer at the tables.
I think that when I go to a place where I am not known I have no real cover problems. I can keep up conversations and the count without a problem and I will talk a lot. I generally will sit at 1st or 3rd, because that view lets me see all the cards without any head turns. An uncle of mine taught me and like him my bet spread may be unorthodox and may provide some cover. What I do is begin a shoe at $50 max is $250 but my spread is larger than 1X5 because if I do not wong out of a negative shoe, my bet goes down to $25. I do wong out a bit, but you know, small bladder and all. Also, I might go with either my uncle who counts or with a girl friend who does not. My uncle will generally be at a different table. My girlfriend will often sit or stand next to me, not playing, but we will be talking. She also knows the wong out signal.
At the place in Vegas where I am known, I would not be surprised if this one pit boss knows, I actually think she does. I made a comment earlier about a conversation we had, where she said something to the effect that I attracted better players to the table. There is a possibility that she believes that my play benifits the house even if they land up paying me. I can see it, I have sat down at tables and watched guys raise their bet amounts quite often, leading me to believe they were betting more because I am a fairly large better. It is kind of a competitive testosterone thing, I mean how can the big player at the table be a lady? This boss is no dummy and I think she sees this. I think it gets down to the opinion, do you hurt the house or not. I am amazed when I hear of a red chip player being asked to leave. Even if he spreads 10 to 1, a $50 bet occassionly from the few good players out there will not hurt the bottom line of a ploppy filled casino. Dumb management or over zealous new PC's trying to make points are the quilty parties here often. Having a winner at some of their tables is good public relations. Also, as an engineer by profession, I never look like an engineer at the tables.
phantom007
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AND, I do not get why LTC is above, talking about "NEVERLAND RANCH"
Because LTC stated something to the effect that: "we should move on to PENETRATION and FLASHERS"....maybe "affect" is proper, whatever.
How is the BJ at "Neverland"? I would suspect it is 2Dic, I mean 2-Deck, deeply penetrated, and LOTS of COMPS...instead of Red and Green Chips, likely Potatoe and Corn Chips...(Quayle spelling of "potato").
Tired of playing? No Problem...just hop in the tub and blow Bubbles.
Some properties will "pay you" to refer friends to their BJ...at NEVERLAND, you get paid $9M!!!!!! TO TELL NO ONE!!!!
Is it just me, or should MJ get the OJ treatment, i.e., sentenced to LIFE on the Golf Course, WHILE A BUNCH OF REALLY STUPID and/or GOLD-DIGGING STUPID PARENTS, be sentenced to life at the place where:
HEMORRHOIDS = SPEED BUMPS!
Oh, and since this is a BJ site, Victoria, really enjoy your posts! Seriously!
Even though you apparently avoided the 20 yr ploppy education that I endured, at least it is refreshing to find one, besides myself, who is willing to play well, albeit mathematically (sp?) imperfect, for the gain of longevity!
phantom007.
Because LTC stated something to the effect that: "we should move on to PENETRATION and FLASHERS"....maybe "affect" is proper, whatever.
How is the BJ at "Neverland"? I would suspect it is 2Dic, I mean 2-Deck, deeply penetrated, and LOTS of COMPS...instead of Red and Green Chips, likely Potatoe and Corn Chips...(Quayle spelling of "potato").
Tired of playing? No Problem...just hop in the tub and blow Bubbles.
Some properties will "pay you" to refer friends to their BJ...at NEVERLAND, you get paid $9M!!!!!! TO TELL NO ONE!!!!
Is it just me, or should MJ get the OJ treatment, i.e., sentenced to LIFE on the Golf Course, WHILE A BUNCH OF REALLY STUPID and/or GOLD-DIGGING STUPID PARENTS, be sentenced to life at the place where:
HEMORRHOIDS = SPEED BUMPS!
Oh, and since this is a BJ site, Victoria, really enjoy your posts! Seriously!
Even though you apparently avoided the 20 yr ploppy education that I endured, at least it is refreshing to find one, besides myself, who is willing to play well, albeit mathematically (sp?) imperfect, for the gain of longevity!
phantom007.
Re: It was a dumb post
I haven't played BJ at the Chumash in over 2 years -- and at the time the worst overall ploppy I recall was this blonde who hissed at anyone who didn't play the perfect voodoo strategy that she did -- all the usual ploppy errors (stand on 12 vs. 6, A-7 vs. T, etc). She was about as solid a BS player as is to be found in the non-AP ranks. But she would get livid -- and she lost a lot of money with her perfect flow strategy. Of course, I was often the target of her fits. Is this her?
--Mayor
I haven't played BJ at the Chumash in over 2 years -- and at the time the worst overall ploppy I recall was this blonde who hissed at anyone who didn't play the perfect voodoo strategy that she did -- all the usual ploppy errors (stand on 12 vs. 6, A-7 vs. T, etc). She was about as solid a BS player as is to be found in the non-AP ranks. But she would get livid -- and she lost a lot of money with her perfect flow strategy. Of course, I was often the target of her fits. Is this her?
--Mayor
learning to count
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Re: AND, I do not get why LTC is above, talking about "NEVERLAND RANCH"
Hey Phantom 20 years is one he!! of an education. Even so Phantom, your talent is obvious, your play will be feared by casinos and your time on the tables will undoubtedly overcome your past. Rock on Phantom rock on!
Hey Phantom 20 years is one he!! of an education. Even so Phantom, your talent is obvious, your play will be feared by casinos and your time on the tables will undoubtedly overcome your past. Rock on Phantom rock on!
I do
I will play DD, but it is not offered in this place and this is the place I seem to have gotten no heat in, even though I think a few people know. I understand that potential swings are greater in a 6 deck game. As far as losses go, I have seen the dragon (as someone else said) and I have seen counter heaven. I have had a five digit loss during a 4 day Vegas trip and have also had a five digit win, and a couple that got close to it. Won $6,000 once in 6 hours at the Chumash, felt unconfortable all the time, and even got a long cold look from the lady in the cage who approves the pink cash outs.
One of the first things my uncle said to me when counting lessons began, was be prepared to take a few of the biggest losses you ever imagined, along with big wins. The first big loss was hard but this girl can take a punch and punch back.
I will play DD, but it is not offered in this place and this is the place I seem to have gotten no heat in, even though I think a few people know. I understand that potential swings are greater in a 6 deck game. As far as losses go, I have seen the dragon (as someone else said) and I have seen counter heaven. I have had a five digit loss during a 4 day Vegas trip and have also had a five digit win, and a couple that got close to it. Won $6,000 once in 6 hours at the Chumash, felt unconfortable all the time, and even got a long cold look from the lady in the cage who approves the pink cash outs.
One of the first things my uncle said to me when counting lessons began, was be prepared to take a few of the biggest losses you ever imagined, along with big wins. The first big loss was hard but this girl can take a punch and punch back.
Victoria-betting big off the top its killing U
Dont worry so much about heat,first of all the casinos
are rarely worried with gals ,second of all it will hurt you in
the long run too,THIRD of all stop the 6 dk,maybe you are better
suited for a different style of play. We all count differently and
have different indicies maybe your is better for
single,double or hell even 8 deck,try keeping a running log for
a while.
My gal friend goes from 10-to 250 aT the shoe and had no problems
recently,,,,single deck..
Dont worry so much about heat,first of all the casinos
are rarely worried with gals ,second of all it will hurt you in
the long run too,THIRD of all stop the 6 dk,maybe you are better
suited for a different style of play. We all count differently and
have different indicies maybe your is better for
single,double or hell even 8 deck,try keeping a running log for
a while.
My gal friend goes from 10-to 250 aT the shoe and had no problems
recently,,,,single deck..
Re: Victoria-betting big off the top its killing U
It is one bet so it may hurt but I do not think it hurts significantly. Also there is only one place where I do this and you may be right that it really does not matter. Basically if I add up everywhere I play and run the numbers, we are talking about perhaps overbetting my hand 1% of the time.
I do keep records, been counting for 5 years but would only call myself an AP honestly for the past three. My first two years I bet with the count but did not spread enough, nor did I use the indices properly according to the count. I think most of us go through a learning curve if we advance far enough without giving up. I was a looser those years. Since I have only been getting in about 150 hours of bj a year, you might easily say that the long run for me is a long way off, but during this period I am up over 20,000.
Anyway, just wanted to say that your statement that it is killing me is strong, I would agree with hurts me.
It is one bet so it may hurt but I do not think it hurts significantly. Also there is only one place where I do this and you may be right that it really does not matter. Basically if I add up everywhere I play and run the numbers, we are talking about perhaps overbetting my hand 1% of the time.
I do keep records, been counting for 5 years but would only call myself an AP honestly for the past three. My first two years I bet with the count but did not spread enough, nor did I use the indices properly according to the count. I think most of us go through a learning curve if we advance far enough without giving up. I was a looser those years. Since I have only been getting in about 150 hours of bj a year, you might easily say that the long run for me is a long way off, but during this period I am up over 20,000.
Anyway, just wanted to say that your statement that it is killing me is strong, I would agree with hurts me.
Re: Victoria-
V-
I was not trying to be hurtful you misread,just wanted to
possibly offer some words of advice.
""so hit the shoe take the 4 hr drive and do it again, you will win.
We all have trips and they can be a drag when we
have bad days or weeks,but the pit crew seems
to think its impossible and that we always win,they
should try playing themselves somtimes.
V-
I was not trying to be hurtful you misread,just wanted to
possibly offer some words of advice.
""so hit the shoe take the 4 hr drive and do it again, you will win.
We all have trips and they can be a drag when we
have bad days or weeks,but the pit crew seems
to think its impossible and that we always win,they
should try playing themselves somtimes.
Good advice
Eyes
I got into this little hobby because I have an uncle who has been doing this since the 70's. One thing he told me was that I should be prepared to loose more money than I would imagine in certain sessions, even because of spread and deviations. I think many new counters, especially those without an experienced mentor, having read a book and practiced at home, are in shock when those kind of days hit them. In the few hours that I get in I have gotten good views of the great and the ugly, and understand it. You are right that most pit types and ploppys just think that we steadily make money every session.
By the way, part of that $50 off the top of the shoe is a comp bet in my mind. Though my average bet might be over $50, the pit always sees those first bets after the cut. In this casino that number is an important one in determining comp level. I generally have a mini suite, food and entertainment covered. During my last trip I spoke to a host at one of the mega joints and walked away with a distinct impression that my level of play was worth about a meal. I think I will try to keep the door open to me in my current place for as long as possible. A management change someday is probably my biggest worry there.
Eyes
I got into this little hobby because I have an uncle who has been doing this since the 70's. One thing he told me was that I should be prepared to loose more money than I would imagine in certain sessions, even because of spread and deviations. I think many new counters, especially those without an experienced mentor, having read a book and practiced at home, are in shock when those kind of days hit them. In the few hours that I get in I have gotten good views of the great and the ugly, and understand it. You are right that most pit types and ploppys just think that we steadily make money every session.
By the way, part of that $50 off the top of the shoe is a comp bet in my mind. Though my average bet might be over $50, the pit always sees those first bets after the cut. In this casino that number is an important one in determining comp level. I generally have a mini suite, food and entertainment covered. During my last trip I spoke to a host at one of the mega joints and walked away with a distinct impression that my level of play was worth about a meal. I think I will try to keep the door open to me in my current place for as long as possible. A management change someday is probably my biggest worry there.