Two deaths in Atlantic City

ArcticInferno

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A man leaped to his death off the Trump Marina parking garage.
An investigator with NYC's Dept of Investigations found dead in Caesars parking garage.
These events occurred just last week.
Are these deaths "suicides" or murders?
Mafia? Organized crime?
Atlantic City is a dangerous place indeed.
 

zoomie

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Yes. I was leaving the Trump Marina garage at that time and saw the aftereffects - ambulance, many police cars, they had temp orange plastic barriers around the person, no doubt so that passersby like me would not see what must have been a grisly scene. The emergency personnel were all just standing around the body. The gate was up and there was no attendant. I wondered at the time what was going on, and why no one was on the pavement treating the patient. Now I know . . .
 

Sucker

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There is probably an average of 5 or more gamblers committing suicide in Las Vegas, every single day. My wife has personally witnessed someone leaping to his death, on two separate occasions. I don't recall EVER reading about even ONE casino-related suicide in the newspaper. Evidently there's some sort of an unwritten agreement between the casinos and the press in Nevada.
 

Zero

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Sucker said:
There is probably an average of 5 or more gamblers committing suicide in Las Vegas, every single day.
If the story I read last year on npr.org (Archive copy) is to be believed, the rate is about 1 per day, which is still 50% higher than anywhere else in the country. It also quotes the county coroner, Mike Murphy:
The vast majority of those that came to Las Vegas did not come here and lose their money and then commit suicide. They came here with the idea of making their last kind of 'hooray,' and then they took their lives. And they did it so that they wouldn't be doing that at home where their family members would find them; they were going to another location.
still.... scary stuff...

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Proves my point, what I've said to several people about not going out of your way to antagonize strangers you meet at the table. You don't know what that person's case is. If he's there prepared to check out, he might very well be willing to take you with him.
 

tensplitter

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It's so sad if someone kills themselves over a gambling problem. If only they knew how to count cards, they might still be alive.
 

BookerPA

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Automatic Monkey said:
Proves my point, what I've said to several people about not going out of your way to antagonize strangers you meet at the table. You don't know what that person's case is. If he's there prepared to check out, he might very well be willing to take you with him.
"Man arrested for incident at Mount Airy Casino Resort
Published: October 24, 2010

PARADISE TWP. - A Henryville man was arrested early Sunday after an alleged outburst at the Mount Airy Casino Resort.
Joshua Brian Kiernan, 22, was charged with resisting arrest, criminal mischief, public drunkenness and disorderly conduct.

State police said Mr. Kiernan smashed a table game at about 1 a.m. and attempted to flee. He was detained, and as he was escorted by security guards and officers, he became physically combative and resisted arrest, troopers said. Mr. Kiernan was taken to the Monroe County Correctional Facility."

Geez, all I did was split 9's against a dealer's 5. :laugh:
 
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Sucker

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I wonder if the casino is going to drop charges once they realize that THEY'RE criminally liable for getting him so drunk in the first place? He may even have a lawsuit against THEM!
 

zengrifter

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Sucker said:
There is probably an average of 5 or more gamblers committing suicide in Las Vegas, every single day. My wife has personally witnessed someone leaping to his death, on two separate occasions. I don't recall EVER reading about even ONE casino-related suicide in the newspaper. Evidently there's some sort of an unwritten agreement between the casinos and the press in Nevada.
Five per day?? zg
 

Sucker

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zengrifter said:
Five per day?? zg
That was just my guess; probably not all that accurate; so I'll retract that part of my statement. I remember reading an article about 15 years ago in which the author stated that the number was about 2 per day. My guess of 5 was based on the fact that the town is more than twice as big as it was then. But the number itself wasn't really the point I was trying to make. I find it very revealing that the Las Vegas newspapers and TV stations rarely if EVER will even REPORT a gambling-related suicide anywhere in Nevada .
 

zengrifter

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Sucker said:
That was just my guess; probably not all that accurate; so I'll retract that part of my statement. I remember reading an article about 15 years ago in which the author stated that the number was about 2 per day. My guess of 5 was based on the fact that the town is more than twice as big as it was then. But the number itself wasn't really the point I was trying to make. I find it very revealing that the Las Vegas newspapers and TV stations rarely if EVER will even REPORT a gambling-related suicide anywhere in Nevada .
The story made NPR a couple years ago.
Its ONE per day, as of 2008 and may have gone up with the economy collapse >>
Las Vegas: The Suicide Capital Of America

by MICHELLE TRUDEAU




In Las Vegas, the odds of dying by suicide are strikingly high — twice as high as in the rest of the country. And the neon city is a risk for residents and visitors alike, according to a study in the current issue of the journal Social Science and Medicine.

Matt Wray lives in Philadelphia and works as a sociologist at Temple University. He used to live in Las Vegas, and says he was struck by the city's historically high suicide rate of about one suicide per day.

It made Wray wonder whether exposure to the city of Las Vegas — not just its gambling casinos, but the whole town — increases the risk of suicide. It was a question he and colleagues from Harvard University tackled by looking at 40 million death records from across the country, spanning 30 years.

"Those deaths included about 600,000 suicides," Wray said.

Suicide records tell you not only how someone died, but where — whether at home, out of town or out of state.

"So we're comparing, in this case, Las Vegas to every place else," Wray said.

Indeed, researchers found that residents of Las Vegas had a 50 percent higher risk of suicide than folks living elsewhere in the country. They also found out something quite surprising about the residents.

"Residents of Las Vegas who leave Las Vegas — that is, they take some kind of hiatus or break from Las Vegas, they go out of the county — their risk for suicide goes down," he said.

MORE_ http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98042717 (Archive copy)
 
tensplitter said:
It's so sad if someone kills themselves over a gambling problem. If only they knew how to count cards, they might still be alive.
I don't think so. People who have mental problems will sometimes try to self-medicate with alcohol and gambling at a casino. Their actual problem might be something other than gambling. Trying to teach someone like that AP will never work and probably make them worse.
 

aslan

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Automatic Monkey said:
I don't think so. People who have mental problems will sometimes try to self-medicate with alcohol and gambling at a casino. Their actual problem might be something other than gambling. Trying to teach someone like that AP will never work and probably make them worse.
That's all true, but I believe that some folks just don't realize how strong the pull of their emotions can be when they begin losing and they get in way over their heads.

Also, I believe that some people with little gambling experience do not realize how much the odds are stacked against them and they proceed to lose their life savings believing in their hearts that they cannot be so unlucky and so they persist until they are penniless.

Just understanding how a slot machine is designed to seem like one is barely missing a payoff, when in reality, they are not even remotely close. I'll bet many a ploppy has lost his life savings in slot machines alone. Just look at Bill Bennett, Drug Czar undr Reagan, who reportedly lost $8M in ten years playing mostly VP. Of course, he could afford it, but what of those who cannot?

For states to allow the deceptive design of slot machines is unconscionable IMO. There are laws everywhere to prevent salesmen from deceiving customers when they purchase real estate, or automobiles, or just about any other product, but when it comes to slot machines, states regulation is very soft. True, the programming of near misses has been ruled illegal in NV and NJ, but slot manufacturers have found another way to increase the number of near misses without specific programming and regulators have approved it. And just the deceptive appearance that only one blank exists between two symbols is a "cheat" of sorts, since in reality, by the use of virtual reels, the one blank actually may be equivalent to 6 blanks. What looks like a "barely miss" is actually a "probable miss."
 

ArcticInferno

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Hey tensplitter, that has to be the funniest post I’ve ever read.
Card counting and advantage play saving lives! LOL!
What we're doing is saving our own lives. LOL!!!
 

Tico

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ArcticInferno said:
Two deaths in Atlantic City. A man leaped to his death off the Trump Marina parking garage.
An investigator with NYC's Dept of Investigations found dead in Caesars parking garage.
These events occurred just last week.
Are these deaths "suicides" or murders?
Mafia? Organized crime?
Atlantic City is a dangerous place indeed.
2 deaths in AC? Make that 3. Hmm... something fishy around Trump Marina Casino...Another female dead body was found on Sat 3am at Farley Marina---which is operated by Trump Marina Casino.
 

WABJ11

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As if the Trump Marina didn't have enough problems already without casino patrons getting murdered.
 

aslan

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WABJ11 said:
As if the Trump Marina didn't have enough problems already without casino patrons getting murdered.
Did someone say it was a casino patron? I'm thinking more like working girl.
 

zengrifter

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aslan said:
Just look at Bill Bennett, Drug Czar undr Reagan, who reportedly lost $8M in ten years playing mostly VP. Of course, he could afford it, but what of those who cannot?
He could not afford it. He was often quoted that he had "no moral problem with executing addicts" - he wrote 'The Book of Virtues" - when his losses at $100 slots became known he tried to spin it that it was a smear and that he was actually a pro and he was ahead. z:laugh:g

Could Bill Bennett Really Break Even Playing Slots?

By Brendan I. Koerner | SLATE
Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 5:27 PM ET


Conservative moralist William Bennett says he's "come out pretty close to even" gambling over the past decade, contradicting a report that pegs his losses at around $8 million. Given Bennett's stated preference for high-stakes slot machines and video poker, does his claim hold mathematical water?

The primary factor working against the former White House drug czar is his choice of games. Professional gamblers and mathematicians alike eschew slot machines as suckers' bets; since no skill is involved, they're fixed to favor the house, and the rapid action translates into rapid losses. The notion of any machine being "hot" or "cold" on a given evening is pure myth since they're powered by computer chips that function as random number generators.

MORE- http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2003/05/could_bill_bennett_really_break_even_playing_slots.html
 

zengrifter

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Tico said:
2 deaths in AC? Make that 3. Hmm... something fishy around Trump Marina Casino...Another female dead body was found on Sat 3am at Farley Marina---which is operated by Trump Marina Casino.
Could be the start - a theme - for another Jim Austin (David Lane) card-counting adventure. zg
 
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