[URGENT] How do I find out about the rules of a blackjack table at a casino?

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diaoman

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I'm in vegas right now and I need an answer FAST to this question...

The blackjack tables I go to don't have brochures that explain the special rules and contingencies like double after split or what can be double downed. I tried a site called trackjack but its reported games are outdated. I also tried asking the dealers but they just stare at me like a deer in the headlights. I don't want to ask the pit bosses b/c i dont want to draw heat.

I know what the rules mean (like double down after split) but I don't know how to find out for example if a table offers double down after split or not.....and same goes for the other rules like surrender allowed or not.

How do I find out about the rules of a blackjack table at a casino?
 
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HsiaoDi

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Ask? Or stay at the table for a while? There is always wizards site.... If your can't figure out the rules within 10 15 mins. You probably shouldn't be playing...
 
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AussiePlayer

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If you can't ask/they won't tell you, just try different things. If you try and surrender, they'll soon tell you if you can't.
 
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diaoman

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Thanks!

So there's no other way other than to go hands on and observe the contingencies yourself? If so that's gonna take real long for the fruition of my current plan of going to 17 casinos with me leaving each one for the next one after I win $81 profit from each one (that's for one day). My goal profit for this trip in Vegas is $4131.
 
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aslan

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Mostly the rules are written on the felt and on side signs or led displays. For example, at planet hollywood, the felt will describe whether the dealer hits soft seventeen or stays on it. When they had surrender, which they still may, I don't know, they had this little 4X6 display of scrolling led letters saying that they offered surrender, among other things. If you cannot double down after splitting there is usually a sign somewhere. I played at Hilton once, and they had that rule, but I had failed to see the little little display that scrolled continuously some of the game rules. If they don't pay 3:2 you will see a sign somewhere, or writing on the felt, that blackjack pays 6:5. Some other rules, like how many hands can you split aces to may not be displayed, I'm not sure. I do remember being surprised when I discovered that planet hollywood allowed splitting aces to three hands. I doubt they still do since they were bought by CET.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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diaoman said:
Thanks!

So there's no other way other than to go hands on and observe the contingencies yourself?
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Call the casino and ask for the BJ pit and ask the pit secty.
While you have her on the phone, ask her how deep the %pene is in her pit. zg
 
Friendo

Friendo

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zengrifter said:
While you have her on the phone, ask her how deep the %pene is in her pit. zg
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Let's start a poll to vote on whether or not that was sarcasm.

If she answers that question, ask how much heat you'll get for spreading 1x1 to 2x8, and how long one can spread with the count before getting backed off.
 
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21forme

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I've never had a dealer say "I don't know the rules" or something along those lines.

When I approach a table, if some of the rules aren't obvious (S17 v H17 is always on the felt and BJ payoff usually is), I look perplexed and ask the dealer first if BJ pays 3:2. Then I ask about doubling and splitting. I typically don't ask LS, but just try it at the first time the play comes up.

One time, I asked a dealer about LS and she said yes. Then, after they changed dealers, I said "surrender" and the dealer said I can't. Called the pit over. I said the first dealer said I could surrender. Pit said she was new and made a mistake. I then said I wouldn't have played this game without LS. He comped me a meal.
 
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tthree

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How could a dealer not know the rules. They have to deal the game. Try early surrender, surrender after splitting and doubling on 3 cards and see if he really doesn't know.
 
pieinthesky

pieinthesky

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Rules

A few years ago, at Main St. Station, my attempt to double after split on their DD game was pushed back. When I asked where that rule was posted, the PC stated it did not have to be. Having seen signs on tables at many of the other downtown properties that did not allow double after split, I called gaming and was told that as long as that rule was contained in a book in the pit (presumably available for inspection on request), it did not have to be posted. I didn't ask about other rules, such as surrender, but I imagine the same policy applies. Payoffs for blackjack (3:2, 6:5, etc.) do have to be posted.
 
aslan

aslan

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diaoman said:
I'm in vegas right now and I need an answer FAST to this question...

The blackjack tables I go to don't have brochures that explain the special rules and contingencies like double after split or what can be double downed. I tried a site called trackjack but its reported games are outdated. I also tried asking the dealers but they just stare at me like a deer in the headlights. I don't want to ask the pit bosses b/c i dont want to draw heat.

I know what the rules mean (like double down after split) but I don't know how to find out for example if a table offers double down after split or not.....and same goes for the other rules like surrender allowed or not.

How do I find out about the rules of a blackjack table at a casino?
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Since this is urgent, write down your questions on a piece of paper, S17 vs H17, 3:2 vs 6:5, DDAS, # of splits, split restrictions including aces, etc. Then approach a pit person and tell them your friend instructed you how to pick a good game and ask him the questions your friend gave you on your list. Please do not ask him what the pen is, you should know that will create heat. You might tell him you have memorized the basic strategy, or ask him if you can refer to the BS card while you are playing. You will be selling him that you are a ploppy, at least until you begin spreading ten times or so. Since you sold the ploppy image, you must leave after a long run of betting max bet in a plus count. Or, you can ask you questions to a pit person in one pit and then play in another pit, but be aware that rules sometimes differ between pits. It's still wise to leave after a run of max bets. ;)
 
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pit15

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diaoman said:
Thanks!

So there's no other way other than to go hands on and observe the contingencies yourself? If so that's gonna take real long for the fruition of my current plan of going to 17 casinos with me leaving each one for the next one after I win $81 profit from each one (that's for one day). My goal profit for this trip in Vegas is $4131.
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You do realize that variance will make your goal more or less impossible right?

Unless you're using a crappy martingale like system your end results will NOT be like that.
 
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