Very interesting web video
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suicyco maniac
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Eliot
Good to see ya back in one piece...I have a few interesting stories I will E-mail you tomorrow.
Good to see ya back in one piece...I have a few interesting stories I will E-mail you tomorrow.
Automatic Monkey
Banned
What struck me...
... was on the Biometrica screen they have indicators for the type of cheating a cheat uses- Dauber, Bender, and Hole Card? Someone needs to explain to these people that the dealer showing you his hole card doesn't make you a cheat.
They also didn't show the column of check boxes to the right of the Dauber, Bender, etc. Gee, I wonder what those could have been for.
... was on the Biometrica screen they have indicators for the type of cheating a cheat uses- Dauber, Bender, and Hole Card? Someone needs to explain to these people that the dealer showing you his hole card doesn't make you a cheat.
They also didn't show the column of check boxes to the right of the Dauber, Bender, etc. Gee, I wonder what those could have been for.
Ohio_Jones
Member
Brutal
yeah i was waiting for them to show the other boxes. the first box starts with a "D" second looks like a "P", third and fourth look like "S". I'm sure there are other columns as well. and did anyone else find it scary how old Jack almost had an orgasm by saying "People just don't realize how covered they are with cameras." I think we all know why he's in that business. i just don't think anyone with such a weak mind should be in any type of security business. and finally the next best line is from the casino mgr. that says, "... to protect these assets and to make sure the games are .... uh have integrity." Yeah.. don't even think about saying fair jacka**
yeah i was waiting for them to show the other boxes. the first box starts with a "D" second looks like a "P", third and fourth look like "S". I'm sure there are other columns as well. and did anyone else find it scary how old Jack almost had an orgasm by saying "People just don't realize how covered they are with cameras." I think we all know why he's in that business. i just don't think anyone with such a weak mind should be in any type of security business. and finally the next best line is from the casino mgr. that says, "... to protect these assets and to make sure the games are .... uh have integrity." Yeah.. don't even think about saying fair jacka**
Facial recognition software
I agree with all the above.
What also struck me is how well the facial recognition software seemed to work. It matched a frontal view with a 3/4 side view, which I would not have expected.
Hard to say if this was arranged for propaganda thgouh (can you imagine the guys saying: "Geee, we have a software, but it doesn't match anything if the cobay is not wearing the exact same Hawaiian shirt!
").
They did not say anything about thermography or gait, how a person walks, or even ear recognition... any idea whether this is science fiction or already the real world?
I wonder up to when fake IDs will be of any use...
Royam
I agree with all the above.
What also struck me is how well the facial recognition software seemed to work. It matched a frontal view with a 3/4 side view, which I would not have expected.
Hard to say if this was arranged for propaganda thgouh (can you imagine the guys saying: "Geee, we have a software, but it doesn't match anything if the cobay is not wearing the exact same Hawaiian shirt!
").They did not say anything about thermography or gait, how a person walks, or even ear recognition... any idea whether this is science fiction or already the real world?
I wonder up to when fake IDs will be of any use...
Royam
Big Cowboy
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Looking outside
Did you all notice how much they were looking outside the casino too?
Did you all notice how much they were looking outside the casino too?
Automatic Monkey
Banned
We could sue...
... as Occidentals, for racial discrimination when the facial recognition system is deployed, being we don't all look alike.
All kidding aside, it is generally illegal to refuse to serve someone because of their face. And if it could be proven that the Biometrica system has a disparate impact on people of different races who are engaged in a legal activity like card counting the civil rights people would help in 86'ing it, and there would be plenty of case law on their side.
... as Occidentals, for racial discrimination when the facial recognition system is deployed, being we don't all look alike.
All kidding aside, it is generally illegal to refuse to serve someone because of their face. And if it could be proven that the Biometrica system has a disparate impact on people of different races who are engaged in a legal activity like card counting the civil rights people would help in 86'ing it, and there would be plenty of case law on their side.
the assigned task of surveillance is...
"to protect the assets of the corporation". beyond internal theft and player moves, that includes fraudulent worker comp claims and guest injuries. thus cameras are placed in employee corridors/stairways/back room work areas. and, cameras cover the furthest perimeters of the public areas. that means that you lads who may be suspected of cheating, perhaps even only "advantage" play, can have your license plate viewed at the furthest parking spot in the self-park structure. of benefit to investigators of off-property criminal acts, many properties' cameras scan public areas, as sidewalks. likely a casino licensee would be sued for any injury incurred, even on a public walkway, even due to some theft or mugging. an attorney/acquaintance filed a suit on behalf of a lady who was assaulted and whose purse was snatched in a public parking structure at a significant strip shopping mall. surveillance camera tape was an issue.
unknown to most dealers is that *some* of the employee break rooms have audio, accessible only by surveillance. like your mother used to tell you, pretend that someone is watching you...in clark county (and london), perhaps you are.
"to protect the assets of the corporation". beyond internal theft and player moves, that includes fraudulent worker comp claims and guest injuries. thus cameras are placed in employee corridors/stairways/back room work areas. and, cameras cover the furthest perimeters of the public areas. that means that you lads who may be suspected of cheating, perhaps even only "advantage" play, can have your license plate viewed at the furthest parking spot in the self-park structure. of benefit to investigators of off-property criminal acts, many properties' cameras scan public areas, as sidewalks. likely a casino licensee would be sued for any injury incurred, even on a public walkway, even due to some theft or mugging. an attorney/acquaintance filed a suit on behalf of a lady who was assaulted and whose purse was snatched in a public parking structure at a significant strip shopping mall. surveillance camera tape was an issue.
unknown to most dealers is that *some* of the employee break rooms have audio, accessible only by surveillance. like your mother used to tell you, pretend that someone is watching you...in clark county (and london), perhaps you are.
Automatic Monkey
Banned
That doesn't bother me
I rather like the security people watching the parking lot. It protects my car and me on the way to my car. And as long as we know about it, it won't hurt us at all. We look just like anyone else when we walk into a casino. It could be used to identify a team, but any good team knows better than to travel to the casino in the same car anyway.
I rather like the security people watching the parking lot. It protects my car and me on the way to my car. And as long as we know about it, it won't hurt us at all. We look just like anyone else when we walk into a casino. It could be used to identify a team, but any good team knows better than to travel to the casino in the same car anyway.
Facial recognition has been usef for a few years.
It was used in Tampa at the Super Bowl in 2001.
http://www.nesbary.com/class/621w02/articles/looking_for_faces_in_the_super_b.htm (Archive copy)
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,56878,00.html
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/high-tech-gadgets/facial-recognition.htm
It was used in Tampa at the Super Bowl in 2001.
http://www.nesbary.com/class/621w02/articles/looking_for_faces_in_the_super_b.htm (Archive copy)
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,56878,00.html
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/high-tech-gadgets/facial-recognition.htm
web video
no one pointed out 800 cameras and 2 people watching them, that's a lot of channels. Always when I see pictures of the surveillance room,I always look first to see how many people are actually watching the monitors. the second lady didn't look like a phd in abnormal psychology to me. maybe it's break time.
The fbi cannot even match fingerprints with any accuracy and they're gonna use facial recognition on me. In the words of dubya, bring em on. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not doing anything illegal, false arrest= payday. They don't want my action, I'll go somewhere else.
I always blow smoke at the security camera when I play.
I read an article lately about a guy who stole several thousand from a locked tray at a closed bj table and by the time some one noticed, probably when they went to open the table, where's the chips? They found the guy playing bj at another table. Surveillance was right on top of that, yeah right!!!
Or when they robbed the keno room late at night with guns and masks, then walked right out the casino, security guards probably held the doors open for them on the way out. Ya'll come back now, ya hear?
Or the article about the 2 dudes got fired for taking pics of dealer's tits. That tells you the clientelle must have been butt ugly.
no one pointed out 800 cameras and 2 people watching them, that's a lot of channels. Always when I see pictures of the surveillance room,I always look first to see how many people are actually watching the monitors. the second lady didn't look like a phd in abnormal psychology to me. maybe it's break time.
The fbi cannot even match fingerprints with any accuracy and they're gonna use facial recognition on me. In the words of dubya, bring em on. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not doing anything illegal, false arrest= payday. They don't want my action, I'll go somewhere else.
I always blow smoke at the security camera when I play.
I read an article lately about a guy who stole several thousand from a locked tray at a closed bj table and by the time some one noticed, probably when they went to open the table, where's the chips? They found the guy playing bj at another table. Surveillance was right on top of that, yeah right!!!
Or when they robbed the keno room late at night with guns and masks, then walked right out the casino, security guards probably held the doors open for them on the way out. Ya'll come back now, ya hear?
Or the article about the 2 dudes got fired for taking pics of dealer's tits. That tells you the clientelle must have been butt ugly.
i recall scanning the last surveillance log entries...
at the then closed, el rancho. of course, i was looking for outsourced databases, which were apparently removed when the joint closed. the bulk of the surveillance log entries related to minor damages to guest cars in the self park structure. nothing in the final several days regarding cheating, nay "advantaged" play.
at the then closed, el rancho. of course, i was looking for outsourced databases, which were apparently removed when the joint closed. the bulk of the surveillance log entries related to minor damages to guest cars in the self park structure. nothing in the final several days regarding cheating, nay "advantaged" play.
Not according to the Federal Government
In the rush for security in airports, etc. after 9/11, the Federal Government and Homeland Security tested the facial-recognition systems trying to find a full, or at-least partial, panacea to identify, in crowds, individuals stored in the system's "wanted" file(s).
The results were so dismally inaccurate the systems were dropped from consideration and the Federal "money-faucet" was not even turned-on in an attempt to "buy" or fund development of a system that would work.
In the rush for security in airports, etc. after 9/11, the Federal Government and Homeland Security tested the facial-recognition systems trying to find a full, or at-least partial, panacea to identify, in crowds, individuals stored in the system's "wanted" file(s).
The results were so dismally inaccurate the systems were dropped from consideration and the Federal "money-faucet" was not even turned-on in an attempt to "buy" or fund development of a system that would work.
Facial Recognition
Guys..facial recognition is still far from perfect but it is making great strides since the field test at Palace Station/Rivera/Nevada Palace back in l998. The feds passed on this because the system takes too long to analyze using human input...would be much better if computer assisted or directed. Software now being written for such programs. Great point about surveillance only being as good as the human element...you gotta realize that Nevada had NO minimum standards under Gaming Control Act until 1996 and each hotel could staff to their own desire. Now most casino's fall into class A/B designations depending on gross revenue and have to staff to state requirements. Gehrig mentioned the El Rancho...that place closed down back in the late 80"s, for gawd's sake!!!! What surveillance they had then consisted for guys on the catwalk. The owner, the late Ed Torres, was the most miserable cheap SOB the town ever saw...he probably would not spend any money on the place...look at the state of the frigging carpet just before it closed...gross!!! Idiots are found all over, not just surveillance. Guy I know works Hard Rock...you wouldn't believe the "blooper" tape he compiled of stuff going on at the bar, at the pool at night, at the cabanas, on the floor of the JOYNT...Girls Gone Wild ain't sh-t, in comparison!However, he wasn't zoomed in on this stuff...just stuff that came up in review of normal coverage. Boring? you bet your ass it's boring...like watching TV with no sound for 8 long frigging hours. The upside? When things get exciting...THEY GET EXCITING! Best case I worked on was providing/directing CAT(Criminal Apprehension Team...Bad Boys, Bad Boys)and FBI take down a murder suspect from an INTERPOL warrant. Got some kudo's from various sources on that. Gotta be a different type to work this environment.
Guys..facial recognition is still far from perfect but it is making great strides since the field test at Palace Station/Rivera/Nevada Palace back in l998. The feds passed on this because the system takes too long to analyze using human input...would be much better if computer assisted or directed. Software now being written for such programs. Great point about surveillance only being as good as the human element...you gotta realize that Nevada had NO minimum standards under Gaming Control Act until 1996 and each hotel could staff to their own desire. Now most casino's fall into class A/B designations depending on gross revenue and have to staff to state requirements. Gehrig mentioned the El Rancho...that place closed down back in the late 80"s, for gawd's sake!!!! What surveillance they had then consisted for guys on the catwalk. The owner, the late Ed Torres, was the most miserable cheap SOB the town ever saw...he probably would not spend any money on the place...look at the state of the frigging carpet just before it closed...gross!!! Idiots are found all over, not just surveillance. Guy I know works Hard Rock...you wouldn't believe the "blooper" tape he compiled of stuff going on at the bar, at the pool at night, at the cabanas, on the floor of the JOYNT...Girls Gone Wild ain't sh-t, in comparison!However, he wasn't zoomed in on this stuff...just stuff that came up in review of normal coverage. Boring? you bet your ass it's boring...like watching TV with no sound for 8 long frigging hours. The upside? When things get exciting...THEY GET EXCITING! Best case I worked on was providing/directing CAT(Criminal Apprehension Team...Bad Boys, Bad Boys)and FBI take down a murder suspect from an INTERPOL warrant. Got some kudo's from various sources on that. Gotta be a different type to work this environment.