Vinny DeCarlo chat at BJInsider.com

[KenSmith]

Some of you may be interested in an upcoming chat over at BJInsider.com:
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Vinny DeCarlo, author of "How to Beat Casino Surveillance" will be talking about his new book that reveals insider secrets about casino security in 25 Las Vegas casinos.

If you wish to e-mail your questions in advance of the chat, e-mail them to: [email protected].


Use this URL on Monday June 14, at 9pm ET, to join the online chat:

www.bjinsider.com/VinnyChat ​

 

[QFIT]

It may be interesting. Just don't believe anything else you read on the site. Like Blackjacks are more likely late in the shoe. Or, you can beat the casinos after two hours of practice. Or a strategy that counts sevens the same as tens has nearly the power of HiLo. Or, there is a winning count system for Craps.

 

[21forme]

Use this URL on Friday June 13, at 9pm ET, to join the online chat:

www.bjinsider.com/VinnyChat ​

June 13 is today, Sunday, not Friday. is the chat today?

 

[kewljason]

Some of you may be interested in an upcoming chat over at BJInsider.com:
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Vinny DeCarlo, author of "How to Beat Casino Surveillance" will be talking about his new book that reveals insider secrets about casino security in 25 Las Vegas casinos.

If you wish to e-mail your questions in advance of the chat, e-mail them to: [email protected].


Use this URL on Friday June 13, at 9pm ET, to join the online chat:

www.bjinsider.com/VinnyChat ​

Thanks for the heads up on this Ken. The chat looks to be Monday june 14 at 9pm rather than what you have posted. I wasn't aware that BJinsider even had chat. Like Norm, I am a little skeptical of much of the info coming from this site although there is still some value in their monthly AC reports, but I always appreciate the opportunity to learn something new and this may be one of them. I have not yet read Mr Decarlo's book, but based on his top peice of advice for a counter improving his odds of winning, (spilling a drink on a negative shoe) it should be interesting. I imagine if you went around dumping your drink on every negative shoe, you would soon be banned from every vegas casino, not for counting, but for being a drunken, bumbling idiot. :laugh: (although I know of at least one member of this site, that this would fit right into his act)

 

[KenSmith]

Thanks. Fixed now. The chat is Monday June 14th at 9 PM ET.

 

[QFIT]

I have not yet read Mr Decarlo's book, but based on his top peice of advice for a counter improving his odds of winning, (spilling a drink on a negative shoe) it should be interesting.

Spilling a drink purposely to force a shuffle or new cards sounds like a felony.

 

[Katweezel]

Spilling a drink purposely to force a shuffle or new cards sounds like a felony.

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[sagefr0g]

Spilling a drink purposely to force a shuffle or new cards sounds like a felony.

yeah and maybe this is voodoo but i'd be willing to bet such an action is going to cost the player who decides to do it many, many, many, many, many, many, many times it's value in the long run.

 

[SystemsTrader]

I've seen what happens when drinks are spilled on tables. They close the table bring out the blow dryers and when the felt is dry they use new cards. This takes about an hour so spilling your drink is really a waste of time, EV and natural resources plus if its a delicious beer that you spill, well than that's just wrong. Just wong out of negative shoes.

 

[QFIT]

Now, if you did this at a Craps table after making a point, it would be an advantage play. The first time you did it.

 

[SleightOfHand]

I've seen what happens when drinks are spilled on tables. They close the table bring out the blow dryers and when the felt is dry they use new cards. This takes about an hour so spilling your drink is really a waste of time, EV and natural resources plus if its a delicious beer that you spill, well than that's just wrong. Just wong out of negative shoes.

Im not going to respond about the moral principles, thats up to the player to decide. However, the downsides that you proclaim aren't very valid.

You do not have to stay at the table during the period where they are drying and cleaning the table. However, if there is only 1 table, or the other tables are all completely full, then the effect may ring true.

It is not a waste of EV (unless the above is true), as we are assuming that you are doing this to wong out of a negative shoe. If anything, you are saving EV.

As for natural resources and spilling a beer being wrong (yea, I know the latter is a bit of a joke), not a huge concern of mine. Once again, up to the player to decide if spilling that delicious brew is worth it, even though another one is right around the corner

Although sometimes I do it, I usually don't give reasons for wonging out. There are plenty of reasons that ploppies do it for, and they don't always give reasons. Let the staff make up their own reasons (in my experience, which is somewhat limited to a few casinos, AP is very rarely their first thought)

PS: There may or may not be reasons to try to avoid this move outside of what has been mentioned.

 

[SleightOfHand]

yeah and maybe this is voodoo but i'd be willing to bet such an action is going to cost the player who decides to do it many, many, many, many, many, many, many times it's value in the long run.

It depends on the scenario, I would imagine. Much of the time, however, I would think that this is not that terrible of a move (In the EV sense).

 

[kewljason]

It depends on the scenario, I would imagine. Much of the time, however, I would think that this is not that terrible of a move (In the EV sense).

It would be a terrible move for me. My whole M. O. is short sessions. Get in, get out as unnoticed as possible. I try not to do anything (good or bad) to give them extra reason to remember me. Spilling a drink definately flys in the face of that. I don't see the need anyway. If you want to wong out of a negative count, then wong out. You don't need a reason. There is nothing suspicios about leaving the table. Everyone does it sooner or later. (except in the case of the original Greasy John, who legend has it keeled over right at the table...lol)

 

[sagefr0g]

It would be a terrible move for me. My whole M. O. is short sessions. Get in, get out as unnoticed as possible. I try not to do anything (good or bad) to give them extra reason to remember me. Spilling a drink definately flys in the face of that. I don't see the need anyway. If you want to wong out of a negative count, then wong out. You don't need a reason. There is nothing suspicios about leaving the table. Everyone does it sooner or later. (except in the case of the original Greasy John, who legend has it keeled over right at the table...lol)

exactly, not to mention i'll bet the idea of the wanton mistreatment of other peoples property just might really make one feel a sense of discomfort.

 

[Mr. T]

It may be interesting. Just don't believe anything else you read on the site. Like Blackjacks are more likely late in the shoe. Or, you can beat the casinos after two hours of practice. Or a strategy that counts sevens the same as tens has nearly the power of HiLo. Or, there is a winning count system for Craps.

QFIT Spilling a drink purposely to force a shuffle or new cards sounds like a felony.


Oh, No! not another Kim Lee

 

[FLASH1296]

I missed the chat.

Can someone who attended, P.M. me ?

 

[blackchipjim]

washing the cards?

There was a guy that I sat at a table with that did it on purpose because the houlse was killing us. The counts were good so no reason to move but the dealer was just taking our money. When the guy got so piissed off after taking one beating after another he got mad and made it look like an accident. After they cleaned up the mess and changed everything out it seemed to be a normal table not like the carnage we experieced before.

 

[moo321]

I've seen what happens when drinks are spilled on tables. They close the table bring out the blow dryers and when the felt is dry they use new cards. This takes about an hour so spilling your drink is really a waste of time, EV and natural resources plus if its a delicious beer that you spill, well than that's just wrong. Just wong out of negative shoes.

Exactly. I mean, we're talking about wasting BEER people! Just leave the damn table, and save the beer!