Visiting Las Vegas again, advice needed

ZeeBabar

Banned
On my last two visits, both short, I made the mistake of not planning much other than playing the non strip places, DD games. In looking back, I spent too much time driving, parking, etc. For example, I would drive from the Palace to Green Valley to Red Rock to boulder etc.

I also did not play on the strip. I am told that it's less heat playing on the strip if your max bet is under $300 and mine is $175. I have CBJN.

I also found playing in weekday mornings at places like Fiesta or Texas as tough since there were hardly anyone at The tables.

What i would appreciate is a route and suggestions about where to play and when, taking into consideration that my visit will be Weekdays. I expect to put in about 20-25 hours of actual table time.
 

johndoe

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There's some heat on the strip, but if your max bet is $175 you can't afford to worry about it, and I don't think you'll have any problems anyway. Just don't camp all day, and play anonymously.
 

KewlJ

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ZeeBabar said:
What i would appreciate is a route and suggestions about where to play and when, taking into consideration that my visit will be Weekdays. I expect to put in about 20-25 hours of actual table time.
Zee, I really try to cut you some slack because there are enough people that give you a hard time on multiple sites, but gosh-dang it, you make it hard to not want to slap you upside the head. :mad:

I mean really! You want players to map out a route and schedule for you? :confused: Since you have joined this community, you want everyone to do everything for you. It has been several years of spoon-feeding a baby. Come on Zee, you gotta do and figure some of this stuff for yourself. For the most part, most members of this community are willing to share thoughts and advice, but damn it....you got be willing to do some of the work yourself. o_O
 

KewlJ

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Geez, I thought Zee had more hair than that. (humor Zee).

21forme....justified or unjustified...doesn't matter. I don't like to see anyone be given a hard time, if they aren't being a complete ass and I haven't experienced Zee being a complete ass. So I try to be as tolerant as I can. I am not judging you or anyone else who may not have my tolerance level.

BUT...as you know, I am recovering from major heart surgery for pretty much the remainder of the year now (my BJ year is done), and I am only a week removed from that surgery, so I am still in a good deal of 'discomfort'. Translation: I am a bit cranky. I just hope I am not turning into you. :D
 
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21forme

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Speedy recovery KJ.

I don't have much patience for stupid, lazy people in forum-land. I guess you've noticed.
 

KewlJ

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21forme said:
Speedy recovery KJ.
God I hope so. The first 4 days of 'recovery' have been a disaster. I was released from hospital on Thursday afternoon, a day early because the doctor said I was doing great. Went home where my partner, mother and brother are caring for me. Friday I was weaker than Thursday and had a fever. By Saturday I was admitted to a cardiac rehab center, got some iv antibiotics for a mild infection and began physical therapy to get stronger.

Everyone in the rehab place was like 80 years old and sickly and recovering and rehabbing from various surgeries and conditions. The guy in my room coughing up a storm. Last thing I want is to be around a bunch of sick people. :eek: So feeling a little better this morning, I signed myself out early and had my brother pick me up. I have everything I need at home to recover. My brother is acting as my cardiac rehab coach. He has the same rehab plan/guidelines and is eager to help me grow stronger. My mother is cooking nutritious, yet tasty food, unlike the almost unidentifiable, tasteless crap at the rehab center. o_O

I think things will go more smoothly from here on out. :) And I can watch my eagles on my own tv. E-A-G-L-E-S !!!
 

ZeeBabar

Banned
Kewlj, hope you get better and soon. The casinos in Las Vegas are going to show a higher profit margin with you not around!

It's not that I could not map it that I ask questions. It's the little stuff that only LV guys might know. For example, on my last trip, I had a mapped out schedule, started at Palace Station on a Tuesday morning at about 7:00 a.m. Few folks and a bit of heat, after 45 minutes, headed out and pulled into Fiesta station. Just one DD game open, no one playing. The pit guy stood watching, felt uncomfortable and left. Drive across to Texas Station, same thing. It's only around 10:00 a.m. at Red Rock that I found more tables and more folks and a lot that did not hover.

Next day, I ditched the plan, headed to Luxor and played on the strip a bit because early mornings, seemed I was not alone and heat had other distractions.

Basically, I like a few tables open, a few players around when I am there. I like to start my mornings early, start playing by 9:00 or earlier, get back to hotel in early afternoon around 2:00 after room has been cleaned, nap/read and be out again from 6 to midnight.

Given my schedule, and preferences, I hoped pros on forum from LV might help. I am sorry I was not clear.
 

21forme

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KewlJ said:
I am guessing "more smoothly" is probably not correct. Maybe just smoother? :confused:
I think either is OK, but I'll defer to Don on this one. At least there were no apostrophes that didn't belong :)

And BTW, not long ago, I felt sorry for the OP, broke down, and did provide a useful answer to one of his inane and repetitive questions. It was something about AP's rarely, if at all, play DD in Vegas and I suggested he play shoes. He didn't like that at all and called BS on my post and made some other ignorant comment about me just wanting to protect the games. So now I'm back to mostly ignoring him and occasionally making a well-deserved taunt.
 
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KewlJ

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21forme said:
And BTW, not long ago, I felt sorry for the OP, broke down, and did provide a useful answer to one of his inane and repetitive questions. It was something about AP's rarely, if at all, play DD in Vegas and I suggested he play shoes. He didn't like that at all and called BS on my post and made some other ignorant comment about me just wanting to protect the games. So now I'm back to mostly ignoring him and occasionally making a well-deserved taunt.
Yes, I saw that interaction. You don't have to justify anything to me. You are well within your right. I am just saying that normally I am more tolerant, so today when I wasn't, I worried that I am turning into you. :p
 

KewlJ

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ZeeBabar said:
Given my schedule, and preferences, I hoped pros on forum from LV might help. I am sorry I was not clear.
Ok, here's a tip from one of those Lv pros. ;) Locals that play the local's type casinos DO NOT get started early, especially on weekdays. Often tables don't even open until 11am or noon, or they have like 1 blackjack table open earlier and open more at 11am or noon.

One of the tips as to when the locals start playing is when does the buffet open. Places like Fiestas and the Cannerys (when they had buffets) and a few other local type places, do not open their buffets for breakfast. They open for lunch. That tells you the locals aren't out and playing early at that property.
 

ZeeBabar

Banned
Thanks, it helps. Just mapping out and going to casinos that are empty or over crowded is not what I want to do. Your answer helps me in my planning.

As for 21forme, I disagreed with his contention that AP's dont play DD in Las Vegas because I have been in contact with some that do. On one of my trips, 2 days, I won $3300 playing DD while using a players card at some 8-9 casinos using a 1-5 or 1 to 2×4 spread. I was also not backed off at the Spaniard place.

I do intend to play anonymously on my upcoming trip.
 

KewlJ

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ZeeBabar said:
As for 21forme, I disagreed with his contention that AP's dont play DD in Las Vegas because I have been in contact with some that do. On one of my trips, 2 days, I won $3300 playing DD while using a players card at some 8-9 casinos using a 1-5 or 1 to 2×4 spread. I was also not backed off at the Spaniard place.
So 21forme told you one thing (that many AP's don't play DD) and some other AP's told you differently. So you decided that 21forme was either wrong or intentionally steering you wrong? o_O Frankly, without even knowing what other AP's you spoke with, I would value 21forme's advice far more. And I don't say that just because he is my friend. He is one of those players, like a bigplayer, that if he says something, he tends to know what he is talking about. ;)

And there is another consideration. I said earlier somewhere, that different players have different goals and different approaches based on those goals or situations. I know or know of some card counters that when they come to vegas, they attack the best games aggressively and that would be the DD games. They can afford to do so because they don't come that often. So if/when they get backed off or banned, they won't be back for 6 months or a year and then will attack the same way. That is called the "slaughter" approach as in shear vs slaughter.

I, myself and many player that lives in vegas, as well as most that frequent vegas fairly regularly do NOT take that approach. We go with the shear approach. Get what you can, but avoid or try to avoid heat and backoffs, so you are welcome to play next trip. One of the ways you do this is by not playing the games that are hawked closely. That would be the DD games and especially the DD games at any property that is any kind of chain property or is well known to contribute to OSN and other databases. There is a reason DD games are referred to as counter traps. :rolleyes:

I would love to play only DD....higher Ev. But I can't. I have just a couple DD games that I play and that is because they are independent places that if....make that when, they back me off, it won't jeopardize other games and opportunities. For me, one of those places happens to be the sweaty place you mentioned. Other players shy away from that store, I play it very regularly (for short sessions).

So, you can see different players have different goals and plans of attack based on their individual situations. It doesn't mean that anyone telling or advising you one thing while another says something else, is wrong. Just different approaches. My own approach is pretty much exactly what 21forme told you.

Note: before anyone jumps on me for the small v's in "vegas", my keyboard is dying. I can't seem to type cap v's, f's or g's. :( So Santa, if you are reading....
 
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KewlJ

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Oh, and I really think your playing rated is a mistake. Great that it hasn't bitten you in the ass YET. It will...and when it does....they have everything they need to know about you. And there is very little benefit to playing rated. They don't give you much for blackjack play anymore.
 

ZeeBabar

Banned
I did mention that I intend to play unrated. I do have comped rooms for 3 nights and will be staying 2 nights at one casino downtown and one night at another some distance away.
 

KewlJ

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ZeeBabar said:
I did mention that I intend to play unrated. I do have comped rooms for 3 nights and will be staying 2 nights at one casino downtown and one night at another some distance away.
You DID say anonymously. I have no idea why I seemed to have interpreted that as rated. :confused: My apologies.
 

ZeeBabar

Banned
I have the greatest of admiration for you, 21forme and other AP's making a living playing BJ. Everything I have learned is through the forums, archives and a few books.

I am used to playing friendlier local casinos where the pit initiates surveillance and heat is minimal. I use players cards, greet the pit folks, dealers know me and I am welcomed as a rated player Thus, on my first visit to LV I found heat quite oppressive, especially playing on weekdays in local empty casinos in the morning. Heat almost disappeared upon my using a players card, searching for theirs from among a dozen players cards. So, I just used my players card everwhere.

However, now retired and planning a 2-3 day regular trip to OF each month, the idea is to play unrated. Also, play more 6 deck games. Expect a trip report in a couple of weeks.
 

21forme

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Gee, my head is going to swell now. Putting me in the same class as bigplayer is a real stretch, KJ :)

Anyway, you may have heard people say Vegas is quantity, not quality. And quality has gotten significantly worse in the last 3 years or so. The Strip is pretty much owned by 2 companies (Caesars and south). Get back off ant those properties and you will be flyered on both sides of the street. Don't forget that since the 6:5 plague has taken over the Strip, they have fewer tables to watch for counters.
 
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