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phantom007

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Mr. Card Counter proposes that we ALL abandon our beloved game because HE cannot beat it. SD, DD, 6D...I have beat them all...and have been beaten by them all as well.

But, excluding statistical variations, I usually BEAT MYSELF! I count, I grind, I make a few hundred $, then "GET DRUNK AND STUPID", and even betting big in positive counts, does not always cover the variance.

Mr. Card Counter...give me Downtown LV rules, 2:1 Spread, SD, and 2 Rounds to One Player (ME)...I WILL PLAY TO AN ADVANTAGE! It might be a small advantage, but it will be POSITIVE.

But the point of this POST is to regenerate some action on this site.

I will post a true story...requesting same in kind!

phantom007.
 
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Sonny

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>I count, I grind, I make a few hundred $, then "GET DRUNK AND STUPID"
>...give me Downtown LV rules, 2:1 Spread, SD, and 2 Rounds to One Player
>(ME)...I WILL PLAY TO AN ADVANTAGE!

WOW! A 2:1 spread with 20% penetration? Well, I can't vouch for the DRUNK part but...unless you're reading hole cards or something, I'm going to have to go with the latter! (just kidding)

Although I am roused by your unbridled enthusiasm, I think that Card Counter was talking about EASILY beatable games. He wants to find dealers giving 80% pen with no heat from the pit. Let's face it, if a game like this exists, it won't last for long. But doesn't that just force us to become better players? When the casinos tighten up by reducing penetration and offering more shoe games, don't we all learn more indices or Wong like crazy? In a way, the casinos are forcing us to become better players. They are requiring us to learn new skills and to master more aspects of the game in order to preserve our superiority. Are we not evolving into better, stronger players than ever before? If Thorp could have had a glimpse at our skill levels back when he was counting Tens vs. "others" and counting backwards from 52 to determine penetration, wouldn't he marvel at our progress? Our newer systems are much simpler and more powerful than ever. We have methods of tracking cards throughout the shuffle. We have training software and simulation software that sharpen our reflexes and help us find the optimal systems for playing and betting.

The fact that we can beat almost ANY game of blackjack (Phantom007's example is extreme, but not unrealistic) is truly amazing. It is to players like him that I tip my hat. Without dedication and enthusiasm like that, we would NEVER have come this far.

So everyone GET BACK TO THE CASINOS and LEARN to beat them!!!!!!

-Sonny-

P.S.-When you all get back from learning how to beat them, teach me. I'll be sitting right here.
 
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Joe Schmoe

Member
Is single deck beatable with 2:1?

It's funny that you mentioned beating a single deck game with a 2:1 betting ratio. That's what I'm trying to figure out. I have a computer program running that is betting 2 units when the count is 0 or + and 1 unit when the count is - (using Hi-Lo). For half a deck, the player has an advantage of about 0.5% with best play, so I decided to bet 2 units if the count is 0. After about 49,000 hands, the player has an advantage of about 1%. I think the player is just getting unusally lucky though. Anybody know if single deck is beatable with such a strategy?
 
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The Mayor

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My story, and I'm sticking to it!

See my "journal" and you will know that the game can be beaten (a lot!). "Card Counter" is a low-level inexperienced player who is extrapolating from limited experience in burn joints to a large scale statement about the game. I invite him to play a lot more.

Here's the link:

(Dead link: http://www.cardcounter.com/images/journal.jpg)

--Mayor
 
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phantom007

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NO SIR...I WILL NOT TEACH YOU....

BECAUSE YOU, obviously, already know how!

For the NEWBIES, in a good SD game, such as most Downtown LV ones, one starts out with an approx. -0.35 DISADVANTAGE. Therefore, even at +1, one has a slight advantage, or at least an EVEN game, depending on site.

Mr. Card Counter wants us all to abandon BJ for the slots. I disagree. You can beat SD on a 2:1 spread....HELL, one can likely beat SD on a 46:45 spread, but would look OBVIOUS.

Unfortunately, the ultimate challenge is not BS (Basic Strategy) nor CC (Card Counting), nor, for that matter BSpr (BetSpread)....the ULTIMATE challenge is GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

Mr. Card Counter's profile states that he has 27 years experience!

BULL...SH...IT!

phantom007
 
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The Mayor

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Re: Per Profile, ON THIS SITE, CardCounter has 27 years experience.

That's cardKountr -- different guy completely -- one with whom I have been in contact for years. The troll's name is "card counter"

--Mayor
 
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The Mayor

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Re: NO SIR...I WILL NOT TEACH YOU....

FYI, I spread $5 to $80 at the Horseshoe with no heat a few days back. How?

I sat down and said in a loud voice: "I'm a card counter!" I followed this up by asking the dealer if she wanted to buy some heroin.

--Mayor
 
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Felix Rue-de-Guerre

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Re: NO SIR...I WILL NOT TEACH YOU....

Ahh yes... correct information conveyed by a non-credible source. A tried and true misinformation technique. You really did this successfully? If you say your not joking I will certainly have a good laugh (now, isn't that ironic?).
 
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The Mayor

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Re: NO SIR...I WILL NOT TEACH YOU....

I am not joking. I was with a young friend who sat nearby (but incognito that he knew me) and I told him that I had been backed-off there many times. He had never seen a back-off so I went in with the full intention of getting my ass kicked out, AND COULDN'T DO IT!

--Mayor
 
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phantom007

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Re: Is single deck beatable with 2:1?

2:1 SD spread is what Carlson usually uses, in his book BJ for Blood...and 4:1 for DD, and at least 6:1 for MD. I suspect he uses more when "possible", but by his tone of writing, I got the drift that he was working for both Longevity and Profit, and not just Profit.

For SD, much less spread is needed, even less that 2:1, since more advantage comes from Ins. and Play, than from Betting changes. Periodically, in LV at least, there have been SD games that were beatable by changes in play only, such as several years ago at the Silverton.

phantom007.
 
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phantom007

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While Putting on the Shoe?

Did you notice the pictures posted at the PC's work area(desk)?

When there several months ago, I sat at a BJ table where I was in view of the "koisk" where the PC's take/make calls, write comps, stand around, etc.
There were about 4-5 black and white pictures of individuals, most SITTING BEHIND JAIL BARS!, posted at this desk.

I presume that these photos were of those who had done BAD things at the Shoe, such as cheat, steal, count, and/or NOT TIP! I also presume that they must have an "in-house" holding cell where these pictures were taken.

Idea! Ever go to LV on a whim, only to find all the rooms are booked. No Problem! "DO THE SHOE!" Steal something. Get a Comp'd Holding Cell!

Did not see your photo, Mayor. Though I think I recognized ZG (grin).

phantom007.
 
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