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[SilentBob420BMFJ]

whats better, $20 on 1 hand or $10 on 2 hands if you only play positive counts.. im guessing 2 hands.. im thinking of spreading 1-2 once i get some more money, and i was wondering if i should always just go to 2 hands of $10 instead of 1 hand of $20 since i only play in positive running counts, and also, it would lower variance.. this is all correct right?

 

[rdorange]

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whats better, $20 on 1 hand or $10 on 2 hands if you only play positive counts.. im guessing 2 hands.. im thinking of spreading 1-2 once i get some more money, and i was wondering if i should always just go to 2 hands of $10 instead of 1 hand of $20 since i only play in positive running counts, and also, it would lower variance.. this is all correct right?

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If one at twenty, or two at ten, what is the effect of getting Bj on only one vs. Bj on both. Or what are the odds of two Bj?

 

[shadroch]

You'll get a BJ twice as often with two hands.

 

[SecurityRisk]

You'll get a BJ twice as often with two hands.

No.

If you are playing alone on a table, and you are playing only one hand. There are two hands that over the long run should get equal number of blackjacks. Yours and the dealer's. So you're getting 50% of the blackjacks. Now, if you play two hands instead of one, there are three hands sharing all the blackjacks. Each hand gets 33.3% of the blackjacks. So you are getting about 66.7% of the blackjacks, which is not twice as many.

 

[rdorange]

$20 better than 2x $10

As far as the Bj is concerned, wouldn't it be better to get 3:2 on $20 than 3:2 on $10. The odds of getting two Bj during the SAME hand, side by side are astronomical.

 

[EasyRhino]

Two hands will have lower variance, and will also eat more positive cards from others at the table in positive counts.

If you're playing heads-up, it's not as big a deal.

 

[shadroch]

No.

If you are playing alone on a table, and you are playing only one hand. There are two hands that over the long run should get equal number of blackjacks. Yours and the dealer's. So you're getting 50% of the blackjacks. Now, if you play two hands instead of one, there are three hands sharing all the blackjacks. Each hand gets 33.3% of the blackjacks. So you are getting about 66.7% of the blackjacks, which is not twice as many.

So if you are playing at a full table with 6 spots,you'll get less BJs than playing one on one? Because you are sharing that BJ with all those other people? Sorry,I think you are mistaken.You will get a BJ once every approx. 21 hands.
If you have two hands,if you have five hands,it doesn't matter.
But each of your hands will get them,so two hands will get you twice as many,three hands will get you thrice as many.....

 

[Kasi]

whats better, $20 on 1 hand or $10 on 2 hands if you only play positive counts.. im guessing 2 hands.. im thinking of spreading 1-2 once i get some more money, and i was wondering if i should always just go to 2 hands of $10 instead of 1 hand of $20 since i only play in positive running counts, and also, it would lower variance.. this is all correct right?

Basically, yes I'd say.

Do you believe it ?

Remember that next time lol.

The only thing I'd say is that your ROR is different.

So, if you were comfortable with the original risk of betting $20/hand, you could bet more than $20 in total on 2 hands to keep your risk the same.

Or, if you're comfortable with the risk of 2 $10 hands, maybe consider bettiing less than $20/hand.

The bigger picture might be deciding when your bankroll is big enough to bet either way.

 

[SecurityRisk]

So if you are playing at a full table with 6 spots,you'll get less BJs than playing one on one? Because you are sharing that BJ with all those other people? Sorry,I think you are mistaken.You will get a BJ once every approx. 21 hands.
If you have two hands,if you have five hands,it doesn't matter.
But each of your hands will get them,so two hands will get you twice as many,three hands will get you thrice as many.....

OK, I see the confusion. You're talking about number of blackjacks per total number of hands played. I'm talking about total number of blackjacks per hour. You're not going to get twice as many blackjacks per hour playing two hands because of what I explained. I think that the total of blackjacks and total of hands in good counts per hour is more important than in total number of hands. That's why many counters prefer to play one on one.

And yes, you're going to get a lot fewer blackjacks per hour at a full table than when playing alone.

I'm not saying don't play two hands, but I do believe that one hand of $20 is better than two hands of $10 each. But two hands of $20 each would be better than one hand of $20.

 

[aslan]

You'll get a BJ twice as often with two hands.

I played two hands in pos counts in Vegas last trip and once both of them got BJs! When I am only able to play one hand, I really hate seeing all those high cards falling all around me, but not on me. I don't thing there's any question about it, two or three hands make it more likely you'll catch naturals when they come and high cards in general.

 

[aslan]

As far as the Bj is concerned, wouldn't it be better to get 3:2 on $20 than 3:2 on $10. The odds of getting two Bj during the SAME hand, side by side are astronomical.

Not astronomical! Improbable, but not out of the question. I've caught it at least twice during my short career at AP (June 2007). Don't forget, you'd be playing two hands in positive counts only where the likelihood of naturals is greatest. Many times I've seen two or three BJs come out in a single round. I'd like to see the mathematical probabilities to back up my experience (in pos counts), but I'm not the one to do that.

 

[rdorange]

Wow...

Wow, maybe Bj occurs on two hands more than I thought. If thats the case, then say when you are playing a DD game for $25 min, one spot, The count goes up enough to raise one unit, should you play the one spot for for $50 or take the two spots for $25 each?

 

[aslan]

Wow, maybe Bj occurs on two hands more than I thought. If thats the case, then say when you are playing a DD game for $25 min, one spot, The count goes up enough to raise one unit, should you play the one spot for for $50 or take the two spots for $25 each?

I would. But it does kick up your RoR. At max, I would bet two hands at $75 each (instead of one hand at $100), to keep the RoR in line. But I might even bet three hands at $75 each which would probably raise my RoR a little. (You could bet three hands at $60 ea if RoR is paramount.)

 

[Kasi]

Wow, maybe Bj occurs on two hands more than I thought.

Well, without regard to counting, I guess getting dealt 2 BJ's would be about 1 in 500 hands.

Of course sometimes the dealer would have a BJ too. Bummer lol.

In any case, all this is taken into account in the variance of playing 2 hands instead of 1.

The best thing to me is invest 2-3 hours of expected win rate in a sim so you know.

 

[rdorange]

Wow!

The odds of getting two Bj during the SAME hand, side by side are astronomical.

After all this, I was in Bx, this week and my wife was dealt two aces.
She split, first hit card 10, got 21.
Next hit card, another ace, split again.
Next card 8 or something.
Last card 10, another 21.

Two in one hand!

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

ok then, so then its lowering RoR vs lowering hands per hour basically.. i think ill take the former, as im probably playing with a RoR over 30% (flat bet $10 in positive counts only).. altho perhaps betting $20 instead of $10 (regardless that its 2 hands instead of 1) im raising RoR anyways (meaning putting more money out raises RoR more than splitting to 2 hands lowers it), but oh well..

As far as the Bj is concerned, wouldn't it be better to get 3:2 on $20 than 3:2 on $10. The odds of getting two Bj during the SAME hand, side by side are astronomical.

Not astronomical! Improbable, but not out of the question. I've caught it at least twice during my short career at AP (June 2007). Don't forget, you'd be playing two hands in positive counts only where the likelihood of naturals is greatest. Many times I've seen two or three BJs come out in a single round. I'd like to see the mathematical probabilities to back up my experience (in pos counts), but I'm not the one to do that.

(1/21)^x where x=blackjacks in a row.. this will not work with SD/DD games because the removal of cards has a greater effect, so the chance of getting a blackjack may go up to 1/22 in a shoe after a blackjack comes out, but 1/30 for DD or something..