What is going on?

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jc

New Member
I visited a casino over the weekend I had not been to in a long time. The first night I was there the penetration on the double deck games was 50% at best, and sometimes worse. They had also cut back on the number of spots at the table from 7 to 5. When I asked about this I was given different answers. The first answer I got was that the DD games are very popular and they wanted to give the players more room at the table while playing. Sounded like BS to me. The next answer I got was at least an honest one, "I don't know but you can bet it is not to help the players."

Even though I was able to beat them for about 70 units that night I left feeling a little down. It seems like all the casinos are offering weak games these days and it just continues to get worse. I wasn't going to go back but I did a few nights later, I'm not sure why, other than I enjoy the casino atmosphere. When I got there I noticed the dealer was putting the cut card deeper into the deck than they normally do. I figured she must be new, or just didn't know any better, or didn't care. No matter, I was pretty happy about it. About 15 minutes later I heard the floor person say to the dealer that she needed to cut the deck deeper. My first thought was that he meant for her to not cut so deep, but I was wrong. For the rest of the night I had really good penetration. I'm still real curious about what the hell is going on over there. Any ideas?

I just wish more casino managers would realize that they will make a hell of alot more money dealing more hands per hour to these dumb ploppies than they will ever save by trying to hinder counting. It never ceases to amaze me how bad most players are.

What do you guys think is the real reason they went from 7 spots to 5? My guess is that they were going too deep in the deck when dealing to 7 spots. But when I go back and see that the penetration is so much deeper on the 2nd night I was there I am really confused. Any ideas?
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

Banned
Good question

It seems that cutting pen and cutting the number of spots at the table would be related. At a full table, each player would be getting the same number of hands per shuffle with 5 spots / bad pen and 7 spots / good pen. Thus the non-counting players at the table won't notice the more frequent shuffles. Only reason I can think of.

Casino-wide bad pen doesn't bother me that much as long as the pen is variable. All you need is one dealer giving good pen when you're playing DD. It doesn't matter what's going on at any table but yours.
 
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gorilla player

Well-Known Member
minor problem

If you have a single good dealer, as I had a few weeks back, that's great. But when the "sub" comes in, it seems to be both a good idea to take a break (avoid the usually shallower penetration) and a bad idea (points out that you like one particular dealer and the PC might be curious as to why, leading to the dealer being told to watch the placement of the stop card...)
 
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Alex van Matrix

New Member
What's so hard to believe?

You almost sound upset. You ever wonder why some ploppies feel like a smashed sardine at a full 7 spot table? It's easy to imagine. A casino will make more money dealing to 7 tables of 5 spots than 5 tables of 7 spots and dealing more cards, still confused?
 
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The Mayor

Well-Known Member
Easy answer

>What do you guys think is the real reason they went from 7 spots to 5?

More hands per hour per player = more money for the casino.
 
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Stealth Bomber

Well-Known Member
Also just plain easier for the D...

to stay in better control of 5 than 7. I think they have determined that they can get more hands on the table with an optimum of 4 to 5 players. Resulting in more control and more $ made.
 
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Stealth Bomber

Well-Known Member
More to add

I think it's a good thing for us, restricting the player positions to not more than 5. I like it especially with 6D. I get more hands per shoe.
 
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gorilla player

Well-Known Member
better idea

What about a _one_ position SD (3:2 of course) table? :) I don't know how fast a good dealer could go, but I'd be willing to give it a whirl. CV Blackjack in head-on mode with speed wide open is fun and fast for practice...
 
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OnePitCritter

Active Member
Quick thought without much thought

I would guess one of the following two possibilities...

1.) They want to be able to advertise that they have a Double Deck game available to bring in players. But want to severly limit it's availability to "Force" their customers into playing a poorer game.

2.) The second day with improved pen reqired by a Floor-Person may concern me as an AP/CC They may be trying to set up a game where it is easier to "spot" AP/CC.
Do they have a reputation for backing off or giving AP's "Heat"?

It is a truely bizarre idea to me to limit available playing positions on a table. On the spur of the moment I can't think of any other possible House advantage.

Truely Strange,
Truely Stumped,

Sincerely,

OnePitCritter
 
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Tom

Well-Known Member
They dont need to!

Think about it.Ploppies dont like playing heads up(BAD LUCK). Many tables remain empty due to this belief. Now if these were five spot tables the rest of the tables will pick up the action and make more money due to increased speed and penetration. It's actually a very wise and efficient decision that makes the casinos more money and gives a roomy relaxing comfort to ploppies while they go broke. Does it make sense now?

Dont be mad and confused,be glad and amused.
 
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