What's Arnold Snyder's secret?

[ArcticInferno]

Although Arnold Snyder's "Blackbelt in Blackjack" has a few good pages here and there,
the whole book isn't very good.
Snyder truly renders his book useless by intentionally leaving out an important pearl.
Here's a quote from page 172.

PLAY WITH A BIGGER EDGE
One of the most important methods that professional players use to limit fluctuations
is to look for opportunities to play with a higher edge over the house. This tactic
does not just slightly decrease flux; depending on how high an edge you can get, it
can all but eliminate it. Some methods used by pro players cannot be discussed in
print because we do not wish to alert casino game protection personnel to these ideas.
One simple way, however, that even neophyte card counters can use to increase their
advantage over the house is table-hopping.

Let me repeat a sentence.
"Some methods used by pro players cannot be discussed in print because we do not
wish to alert casino game protection personnel to these ideas."

The book is useless, and should be taken out of print.
Does anyone know what Snyder is talking about?
What are the "methods used by pro players"?

 

[PrinceDragon]

Does anyone know what Snyder is talking about?
What are the "methods used by pro players"?

If his book teach you the "secret methods" , he'd have charge you $250 for it.
LDO

P.D.

 

[BJQueen]

Not only can they not be discussed in print, as in book form, but they can equally not be expressed on a public internet forum. Most Pro's worry about other Pro's finding out about their games (in which a lot of time and effort has usually been put into).
Why would i want you to know anything about what i am doing? i don't want my hard work being put at risk by some snotty nose wanabee CC!
(not that i am referring to you of course)
The less said the better my dear.

 

[UK-21]

. . . The book is useless, and should be taken out of print. . . . .

A tad harsh I think . . . . This was the first book I read after getting past the BS level when learning about BJ, and having read through many others I still think it's amongst the best, particularly for those looking for a sound grounding in AP techniques after raising their game to playing at the minimum HE; certainly one of the most comprehensive.

To describe it as "useless" because the author states he's not about to detail techniques that are not generally in the public domain is crass, and undermines your credibility as a contributor here.

 

[BJQueen]

I have not read his book, but i agree with you.

Why on earth would the Author want to divulge any info like this that could maybe damage his own pro playing. He would be mad to. (unless he was burnt out and his book was the last throw of the dice before killing the game completely)

I would quite happily divulge info on a game if i was burnt out and there was no other way i could make an income out of it, but by then the game would probably be dead anyway.

Generally, the good games described on this site and other sites to be fair, are the crumbs left on the floor once a pro has demolished it. Fact.

 

[StandardDeviant]

Not Ready

The book is useless, and should be taken out of print.

Hmmm...if you can't extract value from Snyder's ideas, will you not be able to understand the value of other author's ideas as well?

I am reminded of the ancient saying, When the student is ready, the teacher appears.

 

[BJQueen]

Having not read the book, the fact that this book is in print has got to mean something.
To state that a "legends" book be taken out of print because he does not reveal ALL of his secrets to a snotty nosed CC (yes, ive decided thats what you are now) is just plain laughable.

There are books out there that maybe are more suitable for you.

"Blackjack for ploppies" by BJQueen (accept all major credit cards) may be more suitable.
If you apply in the next ten mins i may send you a crumb! FREE!

 

[QFIT]

Having not read the book, the fact that this book is in print has got to mean something.

Does that mean the fact that John Patrick's books are in print means something. Or Mein Kampf?

Not commenting on the conclusion, only how you got there.

 

[daddybo]

everything means something. :eyepatch:

 

[FLASH1296]

Arnold Snyder, who is in the BJ Hall of Fame is a great pioneer in BJ Advantage Play.

The invaluable book - Blackbelt in Blackjack is NOT the sole reason.

His earliest books are extremely rare.

His quarterly periodical for advantage players - The Blackjack Forum was simply extraordinary.

They gave the Card Counting player a means to quickly and effortlessly compare BJ games with differing rules/pen'/crowd conditions/

The Blackjack Formula (1980)

Blackjack for Profit (1981)

Apparently you are unaware that Snyder's brainchild was the ZEN Count - a great count for intermediate and advanced players.

 

[prankster]

His website censors like crazy.

Just mention the Kiss III count on his website and your message will be erased in minutes. Then there's that idiot "Fight Club" He had good things to say on The Hot Shoe-his website surprises me. :joker:

 

[creeping panther]

Bjq

Not only can they not be discussed in print, as in book form, but they can equally not be expressed on a public internet forum. Most Pro's worry about other Pro's finding out about their games (in which a lot of time and effort has usually been put into).
Why would i want you to know anything about what i am doing? i don't want my hard work being put at risk by some snotty nose wanabee CC!
(not that i am referring to you of course)
The less said the better my dear.

I must say I like your attitude and style.

CP

 

[johndoe]

Off-putting

I can certainly understand him not including these details, but teasing the reader with this kind of stuff can be a bit off-putting. I don't think it's too unreasonable for someone to interpret this as a bit elitist.

He probably shouldn't have mentioned it at all though.

The book is still useful, of course.

 

[shadroch]

In eleven posts here, the original poster has now condemned both Snyder and Wong. I think its obvious the poster isn't going to find what he is looking for in a book.
Perhaps he should be more willing to learn how to fish, rather than expect someone to hand him a prepared dish.

 

[ArcticInferno]

I didn't anticipate such an angry backlash from my posting.
I was just venting because I was frustrated.
Yes, Arnold Snyder has made immeasurable contributions, and he's an important
figure in the blackjack arena.
However, you must try to understand my viewpoint.
I come from a strong academic background (college and graduate school),
so I'm used to authors who're *** comprehensive *** in their writings.
Professors in Math & Physics don't withhold knowledge and information.
Snyder's reluctance to divulge valuable information *** in his own book ***
was,... unexpected, to say the least.

 

[blackchipjim]

Holy grail

I'm sure it's a little frustrating for anyone that would think that you read a book and glean enough information to become a great player. I am of the discipline that it takes alot of study and live practice to become a great player and the math really help you immensely. The old saying of " no pain,no gain" comes into play here. If anyone finds the posters head rolling around here send it back.:laugh:

 

[creeping panther]

Artic

I didn't anticipate such an angry backlash from my posting.
I was just venting because I was frustrated.
Yes, Arnold Snyder has made immeasurable contributions, and he's an important
figure in the blackjack arena.
However, you must try to understand my viewpoint.
I come from a strong academic background (college and graduate school),
so I'm used to authors who're *** comprehensive *** in their writings.
Professors in Math & Physics don't withhold knowledge and information.
Snyder's reluctance to divulge valuable information *** in his own book ***
was,... unexpected, to say the least.

You were frustrated:violin: poor boy.

If you cannot handle frustration you are not going to be able to handle AP BJ.

CP

 

[JulieCA]

"Blackjack for ploppies" by BJQueen (accept all major credit cards) may be more suitable.
If you apply in the next ten mins i may send you a crumb! FREE!

bwahahahahaha!

Oh man - as an internet marketer, I see endless possibilities with this. :laugh:

 

[Blue Efficacy]

If all of the valuable information was just handed out in cheap books, the information would in fact cease to be valuable. Think about it.

I devised a tactic that can DEVASTATE a game near me. There are a number of ways the casino in question could patch up this game.

If I go around blabbing about it, the casinos will get wise to their weaknesses.

Sorry for this analogy, fellow APs, but we are like parasites. A few of us, upon finding a tasty host, can feed to our heart's content. However, if too many discover this tasty treat, the host will be overwhelmed and take drastic action to destroy all of the parasites and prevent future infestation.

Again, the key here is, nobody handed me this tactic, I discovered it on my own and I will damn well protect it. You need to open your mind and do the same.

 

[creeping panther]

Blue

If all of the valuable information was just handed out in cheap books, the information would in fact cease to be valuable. Think about it.

I devised a tactic that can DEVASTATE a game near me. There are a number of ways the casino in question could patch up this game.

If I go around blabbing about it, the casinos will get wise to their weaknesses.

Sorry for this analogy, fellow APs, but we are like parasites. A few of us, upon finding a tasty host, can feed to our heart's content. However, if too many discover this tasty treat, the host will be overwhelmed and take drastic action to destroy all of the parasites and prevent future infestation.

Again, the key here is, nobody handed me this tactic, I discovered it on my own and I will damn well protect it. You need to open your mind and do the same.

Dear Blue,

May I invest $10,000 with you as a partner in this...... Devastation?

Take care though, a recent post of yours caused some concern, rather unlike you.

CP

CP