When advantage play becomes null and void, will you still play blackjack?

[Mr_Ected]

Hey guys! New forum member here, and I'm somewhat new to implementing advantage play after playing using the basic strategy for years. Just for fun, I was curious as to if you guys would continue playing blackjack once advantage play is no longer possible.

In my mind there is no doubt that advantage play will become a thing of the past in just about all public casinos. It's just in their best interest because the only people they will lose are the people that have an edge over the casino, which is exactly who they want to lose. I really believe that within the next 10-15 years things like continuous shuffle machines will be the norm at just about all blackjack tables, making advantage play impossible for everyone.

When this happens, will you still play blackjack? I probably will, but it will be MUCH more casual.

 

[Sonny]

Just for fun, I was curious as to if you guys would continue playing blackjack once advantage play is no longer possible.

Ain't gonna happen. Casinos have been giving away money for over 150 years. They are more vulnerable now than ever before. If anything, Advantage Play is becoming easier and more profitable as time goes by.

But to answer your question, blackjack would lose all the fun if I wasn't earning money so I would stop playing. Might as well read a book or watch TV.

-Sonny-

 

[irobinson]

A lot of recreational players don't play on CSM.

The casinos would be giving up a lot to get rid of very few.

 

[kewljason]

I second, sonny's thoughts. If I were not making money, I would have no reason to set foot inside a casino.

I am guessing the OP is referring to card counting when he talks of advantage play and blackjack. As far as that goes, I too worry that card counting opportunities will disappear at some point, with the CSM and crappier rules implemented during my brief time in the game, but, haven't they been saying that for decades now since the 60's?

The really smart guys, of which I am not one, will always find a way.

 

[Coyote]

I'm with Sonny and KJ. I never had any desire to gamble and therefore no desire to enter into a casino. I got into blackjack for the challange of beating the casino and taking some of the money they take from all the ploppies. Even with the good rules, the casinos are still making billions off the Blackjack tables. If anything, the games will get better due to the compitition.

My glass is half full! :grin:

Regards,
Coyote

 

[Canceler]

Okay, I'll do it then...

So, everyone is passing up the chance to say that Mr_Ected's concerns are misdirected?

 

[Dyepaintball12]

People probably said this same thing when Ken Uston's first book came out.

 

[Coyote]

So, everyone is passing up the chance to say that Mr_Ected's concerns are misdirected?

Not sure I understand your point? How are they misdirected?

 

[Sonny]

Not sure I understand your point? How are they misdirected?

They were misdirected by Mr. Ected when he...hey wait! You got me!

-Sonny-

 

[Coyote]

LOL! Gottch ya!

 

[metronome]

When this happens, will you still play blackjack? I probably will, but it will be MUCH more casual.

No way would I play. Hell, might as well play roulette where I could drink like crazy and just play numbers or better yet, play slots.
I don't consider throwing away green money to be a "casual" pursuit.

 

[paymypush]

Since I'm not a gambler, I would not play an unbeatable game.

When Beat the Dealer by Ed Thorpe came out in the early 60's, the paranoid casinos tightened up their games so much that many people no longer wanted to play. They quickly did an about face as their profits began to tank.

Dr. Thorpe inadvertently helped the casinos' profits increase as more people thought they could beat the game because they had read the book.

 

[rrwoods]

As long as there are casinos, there will be suckers.

 

[Sucker]

As long as there are casinos, there will be suckers.

I represent that statement!

 

[zengrifter]

Hey guys! New forum member here, and I'm somewhat new to implementing advantage play after playing using the basic strategy for years. Just for fun, I was curious as to if you guys would continue playing blackjack once advantage play is no longer possible.

Only at home with the kids, for matchsticks. zg

 

[metronome]

excuse me, zg...
toothpicks...children are not supposed to play (gamble) with matchsticks...
present company excluded

 

[bronco60]

To paraphrase Sklansky:

Hey guys! New forum member here, and I'm somewhat new to implementing advantage play after playing using the basic strategy for years. Just for fun, I was curious as to if you guys would continue playing blackjack once advantage play is no longer possible.

In my mind there is no doubt that advantage play will become a thing of the past in just about all public casinos. It's just in their best interest because the only people they will lose are the people that have an edge over the casino, which is exactly who they want to lose. I really believe that within the next 10-15 years things like continuous shuffle machines will be the norm at just about all blackjack tables, making advantage play impossible for everyone.

When this happens, will you still play blackjack? I probably will, but it will be MUCH more casual.

I would rather be castrated without anesthesia.

 

[tthree]

I believe a key to getting repeat regular business for a casino especially when disposable income shrinks is the perception that the player had a real shot at leaving a winner. Slot machines have the adjacent spin symbol to the big jackpot symbol having a very high probability of being on the pay line.

Other games must be designed so there is some ups mixed in with the downs as well as some winning sessions. To large an advantage with a small payoff odds (like 1:1 or 3:2) would drive away a large portion of their customer base.

Sometimes winning the war must involve losing some battles.

 

[The Chaperone]

Counting may die at some point in our lifetimes (although even that seems unlikely), but advantage play isn't going anywhere.

At this point in time I have trouble getting motivated to play when I am essentially getting paid hundreds of dollars per hour to play, so if it weren't profitable I can't even imagine thinking about playing.

 

[blackjackomaha]

I'm sure conditions will continue to go through "cycles"...but IMO, there will always be a beatable game offered. The casinos know they cannot risk losing the average player, so the majority of negative changes will only be temporary. Some casinos even bring more liberal rules back, either for a short time or in the form of a higher-minimum bet.

One example is the stupid iTable crap. It was brought in as the "fastest and easiest" way to play blackjack. Every dealer and patron I've spoken to absolutely hates the damn thing. The ONLY reason plops are playing it is because it is solely used at the $5 blackjack tables. The only difference I've noticed since its implementation, the $10, $15, and $25 tables are more full - possibly because players do not want to mess with the "digital" table blackjack game? BUT - these higher minimum tables do not stay full as long as the $5 use to. A few PB's have mentioned that once the lease is up on this abomination, it will be shipped out and normal playing conditions will be brought back.

I might also add that the CSM at the $5 tables was replaced by the iTable, which despite its horrid play, WAS an improvement. It goes to show that despite plops' ignorance, even they despise change.