When do you stop playing for the day?

[21forme]

Last weekend, I went to AC for the day. I started by back-counting and did pretty well until the end of shoe. I couldn't quit after only 10 minutes, so I played for another 4 hours before heading home, a 90 minute drive. My take for the day was the same as where I was at the end of that first shoe.

I considered stopping after that first shoe, but figured after driving for 90 minutes that would be silly. However, with all the ups and downs that followed (some back-counting and some full-shoe playing) the outcome was the same.

So how do you determine when enough is enough for the day?

 

[shadroch]

The answer given in most books is to quit when you can't maintain your advantage.As long as you have an edge,vis-a-vie counting,you should play as long as you are mentally capable. In your case,you need to keep the ninety minute drive in mind as well.

 

[Brutus]

Personally, I like to get to bed early, then start early in the AM.
I play until bored out of my skull, cant see straight, or asked to leave.

 

[shadroch]

Which casinos allow mid shoe entry in Ac,please?

 

[jimpenn]

Just about of them...most games are 8D (min games) with exception of Borgata. 48 tables 6D $5-25, permit mse with exception of high roller rooms and some $25 tables at Borgata.

 

[shadroch]

Last time I was in Caesars,they had NME signs on the games.Has this changed?

 

[jimpenn]

21 FORME From reading your post I get the feeling you started out backcounting and found an early positive shoe and made money. What I can't understand you playing entire shoes. Did you change your strategy because you made a score and wanted to relax and enjoy the game for a period? I could be all wet with this post and please let me know, but it seems like you chose enjoyment over work. The 90 drive is a situation I can appreciate. Too much.

Take Care, jim

 

[hitthestiff!]

If I hit my goal I quit. I once drove 1 hour 45 minutes to Pechanga casino in San Diego County. I gambled for 20 minutes and left. I still had the urge but as I drove further and further away I felt better and better about leaving when I did!

 

[Automatic Monkey]

When do I stop playing for the day? At sundown, of course!

Really, you stop when you can't play, don't want to play, or have something better to do than play.

 

[21forme]

21 FORME From reading your post I get the feeling you started out backcounting and found an early positive shoe and made money. What I can't understand you playing entire shoes. Did you change your strategy because you made a score and wanted to relax and enjoy the game for a period? I could be all wet with this post and please let me know, but it seems like you chose enjoyment over work. The 90 drive is a situation I can appreciate. Too much.

Take Care, jim

After that first shoe, I counted a few more at other tables and none went positive. Sooo, I decided to sit and play for a bit. I'm doing this for fun, not to make a living.

BTW, I sent you a PM several days ago and didn't get a reply. Did you see it?

Shadroch - I've been playing only at the Borgata the last few months. On the main floor, there are 3 areas w/BJ tables. In two of them, all tables are mid-shoe entry. In the third, it's 50:50.


Getting back to my original question - I know in the long-term it all evens out, but you don't take advantage of a favorable swing in the variance?

 

[ScottH]

The answer given in most books is to quit when you can't maintain your advantage.As long as you have an edge,vis-a-vie counting,you should play as long as you are mentally capable. In your case,you need to keep the ninety minute drive in mind as well.

Play as long as you have the advantage, but also consider the fact that long sessions will shorten your life at that particular casino. You have to find a balance between hiding your skills by keeping your sessions short enough for a little longevity, but still making enough to compensate you for the time and money it takes to drive down there...

 

[ihate17]

favorable swing, more favorable swing, much more favorable swing, etc

Getting back to my original question - I know in the long-term it all evens out, but you don't take advantage of a favorable swing in the variance?

Or an unbelievable favorable swing or perhaps the swing from hell. The thing about variance is that you can not tell if the next hour/day/week/ or month will be great, good, OK, poor, horrid or a complete disaster. So you base you time playing on what you know and have some control over.
You know if the conditions, rules, penetration, ability to wong etc are favorable or not.
You know if you can still get an edge.
You know or should know if you are too tired or distracted to play.
You know if you should be somewhere else.
You know if you have lost your bankroll.
You know or should know if you are being evaluated and your time at that casino is limited.

So if that first shoe was great you really do not know if the 25th shoe might be the best one you ever see. You can not control variance, so base your when to quit point on things you do know.

ihate17

 

[EasyRhino]

We need to get sagefr0g in here. He is more likely to stop early when he has a winning session. This has had a visible impact when you view the chart of his session results.

In general, it tends to show a slow, steady climb of bankroll, stacking up a lot of small results. Then a giant loss comes along and clobbers much of those gains. A slow rebuild then follows.

Contrast with the results of someone who plays longer, positive or negative. Then you're going to see wild swings in BOTH directions.

 

[sagefr0g]

We need to get sagefr0g in here. He is more likely to stop early when he has a winning session. This has had a visible impact when you view the chart of his session results.

In general, it tends to show a slow, steady climb of bankroll, stacking up a lot of small results. Then a giant loss comes along and clobbers much of those gains. A slow rebuild then follows.

Contrast with the results of someone who plays longer, positive or negative. Then you're going to see wild swings in BOTH directions.

well lets toss out the negative advantage times and consider two players playing longer and positive advantage situations.

one player leaves on winning sessions near or over a standard deviation.
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=14364&postcount=7

the other player plays on and on seeking to get as much play in since he has the advantage.
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=14362&postcount=6

both players should end up at about the same results. it's just that the player who plays more should get there quicker.

 

[mdlbj]

I stop playing when I want to go dancing or party.