when will card counting die?

[la_dee_daa]

ok so when do you think card counting will die if it does?
in like 5 years or 500 years?
and most importantly why?
and also when will be it be impossible for any form of card counting or new variation that is developed to gain an edge on the casinos?

 

[Dabucci]

I hope that card counting never dies, but realistically I think that in the end the casinos will all be using automatic shufflers, or maybe something even more advanced that gives them even more of an edge. But don't worry, card counting will probably out-live you, so you can keep on making money and having fun.:grin: :grin:

 

[sagefr0g]

since the game is marketable and profitable it should never die. well at least not in a free enterprise environment. question is will the government and ant-gambling types get their way.

 

[Ferretnparrot]

In new jersey, and i beleive in las vegas as well, there is soooooo much money being pulled in by the state that it is fairly safe to say that neithe rof these locations will ever pull the plug on their life sustaining flow of cash. In new jersey they are complaing about how they are short on cash and making planes over the next ten years to revise things, so its pretty much 100% safe to say that AC will be around for at LEAST ten years.

I think the automatic shufflers (the ones that shuffle one shoe while another is in play) as they increase in popularity may have an effect, since the time required to switch out a shoe for a newly shuffled one is only seconds as compared to shuffling the shoe by hand. This makes penetration almost irrelevant when looked at by the casino in terms of the number of hands dealt per hour, i think its possible they might realise this and just start cutting off horrid amounts of cards to kill counting since it would minimally effect their profits.

Ferret

 

[Renzey]

I think the automatic shufflers (the ones that shuffle one shoe while another is in play) as they increase in popularity may have an effect, since the time required to switch out a shoe for a newly shuffled one is only seconds as compared to shuffling the shoe by hand. This makes penetration almost irrelevant when looked at by the casino in terms of the number of hands dealt per hour, i think its possible they might realise this and just start cutting off horrid amounts of cards to kill counting since it would minimally effect their profits.

Though all autoshufflers may not work at the same speed, I did clock one the other day at 7 minutes (from loading until "green light"). If they cut off too much shoe, the replacement setup won't be ready in time.

 

[EasyRhino]

Yeah, I think they're usually slower than a human shuffle. If a dealer is forced to reshuffle early (say, everyone leaves the table, or they're changing cards), then there can be some serious standing-around-waiting time. But, in regular circumstances, they speed up play.

It will be extremely interesting to see what impact, if any, the "21" movie has on things. Probably won't be near the impact that "Beat the Dealer" had.

 

[moo321]

Certain games may die, or become unplayable. But it all depends on your ability to adapt, or to play worse conditions. Would you be willing to back-count 6 deckers with 2 decks cut off? Most here wouldn't, but a generation ago most wouldn't play shoes, or any games other than S17 DAS DOA.

Personally, if I saw the conditions decline, I'd still be in there grinding away, or finding new edges to shoot. Hell, casino bonus whoring is the greatest advantage play in the history of the world. It's a good time to be alive, and I expect it to get better. If it doesn't, I'll pull my money out and buy real estate.

 

[sagefr0g]

In new jersey, and i beleive in las vegas as well, there is soooooo much money being pulled in by the state that it is fairly safe to say that neithe rof these locations will ever pull the plug on their life sustaining flow of cash. In new jersey they are complaing about how they are short on cash and making planes over the next ten years to revise things, so its pretty much 100% safe to say that AC will be around for at LEAST ten years.

I think the automatic shufflers (the ones that shuffle one shoe while another is in play) as they increase in popularity may have an effect, since the time required to switch out a shoe for a newly shuffled one is only seconds as compared to shuffling the shoe by hand. This makes penetration almost irrelevant when looked at by the casino in terms of the number of hands dealt per hour, i think its possible they might realise this and just start cutting off horrid amounts of cards to kill counting since it would minimally effect their profits.

Ferret

yeah see thats the thing. you got so many outfits such as the slots only parlors in Florida, the slots only/racetrack joints that just got table games in West VIrginia that are slobbering all over themselves hoping to have the right to offer blackjack. thats because it is a marketable game that would enhance there venuel. then when the dweebs get the right to offer it they get greedy and want to corrupt the game in some manner such as csm, 6:5 or what ever lol.
thing is that just means that the market for real blackjack is still there and as such there will always be someone wanting to offer it.
fricken prude as laws are the big problem far as i see it lol.

 

[Mimosine]

Yeah, I think they're usually slower than a human shuffle. If a dealer is forced to reshuffle early (say, everyone leaves the table, or they're changing cards), then there can be some serious standing-around-waiting time. But, in regular circumstances, they speed up play.

It will be extremely interesting to see what impact, if any, the "21" movie has on things. Probably won't be near the impact that "Beat the Dealer" had.

i keep thinking that "21" , well hoping too, that "21" will be a cash cow for the casino.