Where can I find Super Fun 21 in LV

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los

New Member
Hello fellow counters,

I have been playing SF 21 with some moderate success (maybe it's just luck). I have only been able to find it one casino and would like to exploit it in other locations. Any ideas?

If you must know, I've been using a Hi-Lo, 1-10 spread, using the SF21 basic Strategy found on this site.

I welcome any questions, comments, or advice.

Cheers,
los
 
LV Bear

LV Bear

Administrator
Superfun list *LINK*

Here are the Las Vegas stores with Superfun, though not all are playable. In the future, you can get this information from Current Blackjack News (link below).

SUPERFUN CASINO LIST

<u>North / Northwest</u>
Cannery
Fiesta Rancho
Jerry's Nugget
Rampart
Santa Fe Station
Speedway
Texas Station

<u>West</u>
Arizona Charlie's Decatur
Palace Station
Palms

<u>Downtown</u>
Fremont
Golden Nugget
Lady Luck
Main Street Station
Stratosphere

<u>Central</u>
Ellis Island
Hard Rock
Harrah's
Stardust

<u>Southeast</u>
Arizona Charlie's Boulder
Fiesta Henderson
Green Valley Ranch
Sam's Town
Sunset Station
 
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Felix Rue_de_Guerre

New Member
Uh..bear

On another note...

I purchased that cycle tonite. I Already left Hip Hop my poker chips, so if you can identify my body, you may claim my folding bike as yor own!!, If I was run over by a CAT bus. Bring a copy of this to the LV coroners office!!!

-FeliX
 
Sonny

Sonny

Well-Known Member
Don't forget the LVC!

The Las Vegas Club also has "The Most Liberal 21" game, which I think has the same rules. But, as eyesfor21 said, the heat will be pretty bad. On the good side, it should be pretty easy to blend in with the other suckers at the tables.

-Sonny-
 
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los

New Member
What do you mean by not "Playable"

Hey LVBear,

Thanks for the info and the link! I'll place a bet in your honor next time :)

What did you mean by not "Playable", though? The hours available, PC heat, or even less than favorable rules than the ordinary?

Happy counting!
los
 
LV Bear

LV Bear

Administrator
LVC "liberal" game is not Superfun *LINK*

LV Club "liberal" game is not the same as Superfun. It has some of the same rules, but not all. The off the top house edge is higher than Superfun. Some strategies and index numbers are different. It is a double deck rather than single deck. It used to be even worse, dealt from a CSM.

I don't believe the LVC "liberal" game to be worthwhile.
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

Banned
BJ Switch is way better

Played it at the 4 Queers, this game has a lot of potential for advantage play. The official site has game rules but doesn't have a list f casinos that deal it. Has anyone seen this game east of the Mississippi?
 
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eyesfor21

Well-Known Member
blackjack switch is a waste

the basic startegy is a lot more complicated than
all the other games,and its still not be worth the
effort.
they have it in other states too, a pit boss was the one
would told me how bad it was.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

Banned
With sufficient pene...

... the LVC WMLBJ might be playable with SF21 strategy. BTW, the Fremont's afternoon sf21 I saw the other day was excellent (as sf21 goes). zg
 
LV Bear

LV Bear

Administrator
"Not playable"

What did you mean by not "Playable", though?

Any of a number of adverse conditions. The most common are poor penetration, overcrowding, excessive pit harassment, and preferential shuffling.

For example, Stratosphere Superfun policy is to deal only four rounds heads-up and three rounds to two hands. Such terrible penetraton makes the game a waste of time. If you can get any edge at all, you will make less per hour than you would picking up tin cans in the parking lot. The casino executive responsible for this stupid policy is obviously not very bright. Because of all the time wasted shuffling, the casino is winning so much less from the hordes of ploppies playing this game than that would ever be won by players skilled at Superfun. The casino, instead of raking the money in from all the bad Superfun players, makes only a fraction of what it should due to all the down time.

Sunset Station and Fiesta Henderson have equally stupid policies, and make less profit because of it.

Some other stores, such as Jerry's Nugget, have a unethical policy of preferential shuffling whenever serious money hits the felt. At the Nugget, it doesn't take much to be considered "serious money." I have been shuffled up on there for bets of only $100.00. Apparently, the Nugget is presided over by another casino manager without much in the intelligence department. I have seen ploppies become enraged when they are shuffled up on during a "hot streak."
 
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los

New Member
Sweet!

Looks like the Freemont is the place to go. I'll try that on my next trip out there.

Thanks again!
los

U-DA-Man!
 
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Geoff Hall

Well-Known Member
Disagree *LINK*

"the basic startegy is a lot more complicated than
all the other games,and its still not be worth the
effort."

The Basic Strategy is very straight forward, it's the 'switch' decisions that are difficult at times, and it would be hard to memorize them all. Nevertheless, the game has an initial house edge of 0.2% so some 'switch' errors can be done and still the game will have a lower edge than regular multi-deck Blackjack.

"they have it in other states too, a pit boss was the one
would told me how bad it was."

Pit Boss - Good Advice ? Normally those 4 words are not used in the same sentence :) Unfortunately the uneducated will always portray that they know a lot more than they really do.

'Blackjack Switch' is only in 3 casinos in Las Vegas and 1 casino in California. The 'Push 22' version is still quite new in the USA although it can be found in about 18 casinos in Europe, mainly Russia.

Best regards

'Switch'
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

Banned
More on Switch

Wow that's pretty cool Geoff you sell BJ Switch and you're promoting it to counters. There are two things I really like about the game. The first is its lower standard deviation allows a larger betting unit, thus more profit. The second is the larger difference made by the skill of an advantage player compared to an unskilled gambler. Casinos know about card counters at standard BJ games, but they are unlikely to realize just how much damage a counter can do at a Switch game, so there will be less scrutiny of our play. Furthermore the ploppies will see us winning and it will make the game look good (The Mayor has described this effect a few times) so the casino gets something out of our play too. But all the while there is going to be a lower percentage of the population who can count Switch than standard BJ, just because of the additional dimension added to the math by the switch move.

Too bad it's only in 4 US casinos, all on the other side of the continent from me.
 
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Geoff Hall

Well-Known Member
Re : More on BJ Switch *LINK*

I suppose that I'm not really promoting it in as much as defending it from comments made about it's unsuitability for serious players. Having been a semi-professional card counter, I devised the game purposely to attract all types of players. Obviously I would hate to see the game being attacked by advantage players, in it's early stages, as ths may cause it to win far less than the regular Blackjack and subsequently be removed from the casino floor. The alternative would be to adapt the rules to allow for a higher starting house edge, which I would not like to see either.

We did some tests on the variance of the game and it was surprisingly higher than we expected. It does get streaky at times and I've seen quite lengthy winning and losing streaks on the game.

I agree that the more serious players will be able to 'Switch' better and thus create an even bigger gap between standard of play on the game. The good news is that firstly playing regular Basic Strategy on BJ Switch will only hurt the player by 0.23%, unlike 'Spanish 21' for example, and, secondly, players who 'Switch' quite poorly do not get 'burnt' at the game so they will still attain similar results to their regular Blackjack games.

Also, as it is based on regular Blackjack, casinos will still be on the lookout for those players who jump their bets even though they may not know the exact strategy of the game.

Finally, I too would like to see the game in more states and hope to make a successful push to get the game into Mississippi, Atlantic City and Indiana. The exhibition is due in early October so I will be trying hard to promote the game into as many casinos as possible and also concentrating on expanding into the Nevada market.

Best regards

Geoff
 
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