Which game is better to play? Double deck or Multiple (6 or 8) decks?

[evilrobotmonkey]

I have a friend who counts occasionally when he takes trips to Vegas, and he told me I should play multiple deck instead of double deck. He says that multiple deck games are more profitable because you can see more hands when the count is high as opposed to having to deal with the constant reshuffling in double deck games. I'm not sure if this is true...

The double deck game that I speak of has all rules to the player's advantage except there is no surrender and dealer hits on soft 17, and it has a 70% penetration. The multiple deck game are 6 or 8 deck, and also has all rules to the player's advantage except the dealers hits soft 17.

Thanks in advance.

 

[SD Padres]

DD hands down.

 

[creeping panther]

Evil One

Go for the DD it sounds like a decent game. I find 6d and 8d a waste of time and very boring, so that leaves 1, 2 and 4 deck left to play.

There is also many aspects to the DD game that you can use to your advantage that I will not mention, but that you in time will figure out.

CP

 

[shadroch]

I only know one 4 deck game in Vegas and the heat you generate by betting more than a single red chip is unbearable.My last visit,with five players playing,the combined bets on the table averaged about $20 per round.
I'd say stick with the DD.Many DD games downtown are dealt faceup,which helps in several ways.

 

[zengrifter]

I have a friend who counts occasionally when he takes trips to Vegas, and he told me I should play multiple deck instead of double deck. He says that multiple deck games are more profitable because you can see more hands when the count is high as opposed to having to deal with the constant reshuffling in double deck games. I'm not sure if this is true...

The double deck game that I speak of has all rules to the player's advantage except there is no surrender and dealer hits on soft 17, and it has a 70% penetration. The multiple deck game are 6 or 8 deck, and also has all rules to the player's advantage except the dealers hits soft 17.

Thanks in advance.

If the 2D game is 70%, whats the 6-8D pene%? zg

 

[callipygian]

He says that multiple deck games are more profitable because you can see more hands when the count is high as opposed to having to deal with the constant reshuffling in double deck games. I'm not sure if this is true...

It's not. The count stays high longer when it's high, true, but it also stays low longer when it's low. The number of really high counts (+5 and above) will nearly double from 8 deck shoes to single decks, and in general, the fewer decks you play, the more profitable ... all other things being equal.

The catch is that all other things aren't equal. First of all, single- and double-deck games are watched more closely by the pit. It's also more natural to Wong in and out of shoes and very suspicious to Wong in and out of single/double deck games. You can also find deeper penetration on some shoe games (80-90%) whereas penetration on handheld games maxes out at 75%.

I tend to favor shoe games, but that's because I usually play on the Las Vegas Strip, the Wonger's Paradise, and because I'm too lazy to cab somewhere for other games. You should choose the game that fits your style of play.

 

[sagefr0g]

heh heh i can actually comment on this subject now. finally i've played a double deck game
so but all things being equal such as rules and the implication that the table minimun may or may not have relative to your bankroll and desired risk of ruin then the deciding factor would be penetration. depending on the relative penetration between the two you might need to simulate the two games to see which has the best edge. it would seem likely the double deck game is going to turn out to be the best of the two. that 70% pen sounds pretty darn good. i don't think i've ever seen a six deck game with pen much better than 70%. but then i don't get around much lol. also i'd suspect you'd likelly have more players at the six deck table than the double deck as well.

 

[zengrifter]

heh heh i can actually comment on this subject now. finally i've played a double deck game
so but all things being equal such as rules and the implication that the table minimun may or may not have relative to your bankroll and desired risk of ruin then the deciding factor would be penetration. depending on the relative penetration between the two you might need to simulate the two games to see which has the best edge. it would seem likely the double deck game is going to turn out to be the best of the two. that 70% pen sounds pretty darn good. i don't think i've ever seen a six deck game with pen much better than 70%. but then i don't get around much lol. also i'd suspect you'd likelly have more players at the six deck table than the double deck as well.

2D @ 70% = 6D @ 82%, yes? Anyone? zg

 

[evilrobotmonkey]

If the 2D game is 70%, whats the 6-8D pene%? zg

i could be off, but if i remember correctly the penetration looks like 80-85% at 3 different joints i played at.

 

[evilrobotmonkey]

I only know one 4 deck game in Vegas and the heat you generate by betting more than a single red chip is unbearable.My last visit,with five players playing,the combined bets on the table averaged about $20 per round.
I'd say stick with the DD.Many DD games downtown are dealt faceup,which helps in several ways.

wow, where is this at? aren't DD games watched even more closely than 4 deck? i've been lucky to get away with playing double deck at a particular joint for a while now without much heat, but i worry that my days are numbered.

this is an off-topic question, but if i get backed off from one location where i use my comp card, will i still be able to go to their sister properties? if i go back to that same location to play and use my card, will something along the lines of "suspicious activity" come up when they swipe me in?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

i could be off, but if i remember correctly the penetration looks like 80-85% at 3 different joints i played at.

If the shoe pen is that good and it has surrender, the games are probably close to equal and you will be able to get down a bigger spread at the shoe game, and do dirty tricks like backcounting. So it might be a better choice for you.

 

[sagefr0g]

If the 2D game is 70%, whats the 6-8D pene%? zg

don't think so unless i screwed these sims up...
six deck 1 to 8 spread unit=$10 82% pen
two deck 1 to 8 spread unit =$10 70% pen
two deck 1 to 8 spread unit =$10 50% pen
two deck 1 to 4 spread unit =$10 70% pen

 

[zengrifter]

i could be off, but if i remember correctly the penetration looks like 80-85% at 3 different joints i played at.

They are about equal, though the 2D might be more comfortable, without alot of excess wonging neccessitated. zg

 

[zengrifter]

don't think so unless i screwed these sims up...
six deck 1 to 8 spread unit=$10 82% pen
two deck 1 to 8 spread unit =$10 70% pen
two deck 1 to 8 spread unit =$10 50% pen
two deck 1 to 4 spread unit =$10 70% pen

I didn't say that they were played identically - you need to wong the shoes - try the sim for 6D at 90%, please.
And do another 82% 6D with wong-in +1 1-8. zg

 

[sagefr0g]

I didn't say that they were played identically - you need to wong the shoes - try the sim for 6D at 90%, please.
And do another 82% 6D with wong-in +1 1-8. zg

lol sorry still don't think i've got it set up like you want. cause it's betting lower on the wong in at tc=1 than the play all at tc=1 .
not sure how you want the min for the wong in

6d at 90% no wong 1-8

6d at 90% wong in at 1 & 1-8

6d at 82% wong in at 1 & 1-8

 

[zengrifter]

lol sorry still don't think i've got it set up like you want. cause it's betting lower on the wong in at tc=1 than the play all at tc=1 .
not sure how you want the min for the wong in

6d at 90% no wong 1-8

6d at 90% wong in at 1 & 1-8

6d at 82% wong in at 1 & 1-8

Yes, it looks right. zg

 

[jack.jackson]

Yes, it looks right. zg

The set-up or the results? Because unless Im mistaken, I think sage is sayin the play-all shouldnt have a higher win-rate than the wong-in.

Sage? Ill be firin up Cvdata here shortly.



This order seems to match the simms.

6d at 90% wong in at 1 & 1-8

6d at 90% no wong 1-8

6d at 82% wong in at 1 & 1-8

 

[sagefr0g]

The set-up or the results? Because unless Im mistaken, I think sage is sayin the play-all shouldnt have a higher win-rate than the wong-in.

Sage? Ill be firin up Cvdata here shortly.

yeah well there's so many differant factors to consider. gets down to how much your betting the various ways at what tc.
so but for zg inquiry i think below is a better comparison for the six deck wonging.

1st one 82%pen 1-8 spread for optimal bankroll growth

2nd one 90%pen 1-8 spread but see the custom bets and custom section.

so i think with the play all apparent anomolie it's just got to do with how much your betting. gotta get that equal or it's apples & oranges.