Who splits 10s?

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The Big Cowboy

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I like having 20. And with shoe games, it is rare for the TC to get positive enough to even think about splitting 10s. I feel a little uncomfortable sitting at a table and splitting 10s, especially with a high count, I would have a large bet out. What do you all think? Or am I just a wuss? Victoria any response?
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

Banned
I split 10's against 5 and 6 when the count calls for it, AND, for cover, when the count is positive but not high enough where my bet is increasing. Split 10's is a high-value playing index and I don't like to give it up. This provides the best cover for the lowest risk.
 
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suicyco maniac

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I have been known to split tens on occasion. It totally depends on the situation at hand as every casino is different. Just use common sense and figure out what is best at the time. SM
 
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Ryguy

Member
If the count calls for splitting tens in a double deck game, it would be +5 or greater. If this is the case then I would have 5 or more units out. I have a very hard time convincing myself to break up 20. Also, I fear the wraith of the ploppies and the dealer who is guaranteed to say, "Are you SURE you want to do that?" All the while the ploppies are shaking their heads and damning me in the process. Too much of scene if you ask me.

Furthermore, If I draw a ten to a split ten do I resplit??? Should I be happy with 2 20's or should I be splitting them up again? This move I feel would tip everyone off that I am counting. I play very strict BS with count modifications. At the casino that I play at they are starting to get to know me as a winning player. I play there about 2 times a week in 3-4 hr sessions. I spread red 1-8 in a DD game. I am just a beginning counter so I am cautious about being flagged. I think this move would seal the deal.

Ryguy
 
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Shaggy18vw

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I do

Splitting those tens is a lot of fun. Just play it up like the wild "gambler" you are. YEOWW I'M FEELIN' LUCKY, LETS SPLIT THOSE FACE CARDS.
 
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Rob McGarvey

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If your max bet is 1% of bank and the index calls for it when you have a 4 or 5% advantage, you should go for it. Here is a section of the table from

"other players hands.xls"

10,10 A 1.54
10,10 10 0.53
10,10 9 2.25
10,10 8 3.89
10,10 7 5.06
10,10 6 5.17
10,10 5 4.5
10,10 4 4.04
10,10 3 3.64
10,10 2 3.24

All counters are idiots, so don't worry about cover. ;>

"Third base! You really want to see me screw up your hand? HAHAHAHAHA!! There ya go snoodlegrass! Live with it!"

Caution and strength, bear and bull markets, all call for different styles of retreat and attack. Defending with 20 is always nice, but attacking/splitting to the left and right flank is the proper play.

Sun Tzu
 
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Victoria

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Cowboy, do not know why you singled me out for an opinion? Not the judge of wussiness here I think.

I have only split tens when playing heads up or with one other player in DD and the game was not being watched closely by the pit at the time.
In the 6D game that I plan more often I have only done it twice. Both times I was heads up in a place that I do not go to often and I was winning big. Told the dealer something to the effect of "lets see if my luck is as good as I think it is" and split. Kind of a wild, hot gambler thing.

In the local Indian joint the tables are generally near full and the ploppies will get all over you for doubling soft 17 or 18, splitting 9's and many other basic strategy plays. Splitting tens there will bring ploppy heat which I can live with but it also alerts the pit. Dealers there are required to yell out plays such as hitting hard 17 and splitting 10's, which also alerts the pit. Balancing the expected EV of the split with the possible loss of EV of a barring or being half shoed, I just do not split 10's there. If the day comes when I think I would no longer want to return to this place, the count is high enough but there is also too many other players at the table, I just might do it and see if I can reduce the number of players at the table.
Also, I would guess that it is a safer bet in a SD or DD game.
 
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The Big Cowboy

Member
Thanks for responding Victoria. I singled you out because you always give longer and clear explanations for what you do. What's interesting is how many people say they have gotten heat for doubling soft hands. I have never gotten heat for that. I'm not sure why, but hopefully there is at least one other person at the table who knows basic strategy and who knows the proper "basic" plays for soft hands--including when to double down. I have gotten heat for hitting hard 17s, splitting 10s, and even for taking late surrender if you can believe that. My attitude usually is that no one else at the table (especially the dealer) knows what I know, so they all can just keep playing their dumb ways and just leave me alone. Actually they can all just go do something anatomically impossible. With the info provided in this thread though, I think I'm more likely to split 10s now, where I before just felt uncomfortable giving up a 20 for the unknown. Though I'm sure you all have experienced having a big bet out, having 20, and losing to a dealer 21. I do like having the math on my side. Thanks for all your input everyone.
 
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revereman

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Re: -9 UAPC vs ACE

I'm not familiar with UAPC but -9 sounds like a pretty low count. Why would someone so sophisticated to know to hit hard 17 vs. A be playing at a -9 count?
Is it really worth hitting this in the few times it comes up to gain so much atention from the other players, and more importantly, the pit? Please don't tell me it's worth it because all the other players will leave and you'll be able to get in more hands per hour.
 
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Victoria

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It is appropriate to hit hard 17

Long after I have wonged out of the table!

But I have seen it done several times and always announced.

Victoria
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

Banned
Re: Did it once!

It was right at the end of the shoe and not worth Wonging out because I was getting good pen, and I had 17 vs. A, count was right to draw. And I wanted to get people shaking their heads.
 
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