Why can't ploppes keep their noses out?

[HarryKuntz]

I was playing a D9 game this weekend, was talking to the dealer, who told me it was his first week working in this casino. I noticed he wasn't sure of the side game payouts and was obviously used to dealing a different game. There was a mammoth +11 TC, the last hand of a 83% pen 6D shoe, I have A8 against the dealers 6 and of course I had max bet out. Now, I know I can't double A8 in a D9 game but I ask "Can I double my 9 ?". The unsure dealer think for a bit then says "errrr.... yes, I think so". As I'm placing my bet, this ploppie sitting on third base, then decides to pipe up and says "you can't double that hand". The dealer then thinks for a bit more and decides to check with the pit boss, who makes me take my bet back. I tell you, I was raging, I could have smacked this ploppie there and then! I then watched as the cut card came out, all the remaining cards to be dealt were 10 valued and the dealer bust. What really rubbed my nose in it, was that the dealer exposed the top card when removing the remaining stack from the shoe and guess what..yep...another 10 - no question I would have won this hand.

I broken even this weekend, this ploppie cost me a profit - aarggh!! :flame:

 

[EasyRhino]

You know, I recently saw a case where a ploppy actually held her mouth!

Lady next to me gets dealt a 13. Draws another card, gets a 10. Dealer pronounces "Twenty" and moves on to me. I try not to jump too much, and play may hand normally. Player stays frosty.

Dealer draws to like 18. Pays my hand. Pays her hand. Player stays frosty. But side-glances at me.

Dealer begins collecting cards, after collecting all players' cards and her own, pauses, seems doubtful, and then backs up the cards onto the felt. Then exclaims! "Wait, you busted!", to which the player responded "but you said I had a twenty!" At which point every at the table cracked up.

 

[creeping panther]

Harry

I have had similar things happen on several occasions,,and in this situation I have always had a face/off with the A-Hole. You should have been able to make the move unless they specifically note in writting no soft doubles.

Wow, I would have probably went wild on that player:whip: Always get even in these situations, one way or another.

CP

 

[HarryKuntz]

Rhino: I wonder if this Lady would have kept her mouth shut had it been you that busted? Did she get to keep the chips or have to return them? I actually had something very similar happen to this over the weekend, the dealer declared her 19 as 17 and paid my 18. Two others also got paid on 18 & 19. I'm don't know if the ploppies or the dealer ever noticed and I pulled the chips back very quickly!

Panther: I'm not sure if its in writing or not. I know the rules in their brochure says double 9, 10 & 11 only but don't know if it says anything about soft hands. I have tried this lots of times with different dealers in this casino, sometimes you get away with it, mostly not, so these opportunities are rare. Although, I said I broke even (actually half a unit up), I still had other expenses such as travel, accommodation, etc so I'm p***** off about it. I'm only likely to see this guy rarely in this casino as it's not local to me. it's small & quiet and I don't really need any unnecessary attention. Also, the guy doesn't need any help or encouragement from me to lose his money, So how would you suggest getting even?

 

[blackchipjim]

nosey jerks

I had a lady at a table a while back when the dealer payed out two bust hands. The self proclaimed table wizard made such a stink that the pit boss made the dealer back the hands out of the discard rack. They took back the pay outs to those players and the table fell dead silent for the rest of the shoe. Eventually the players started to dwindle away due to the relentless mouth of the wizard. blackchipjim

 

[Brutus]

ya gotta have ploppies to make a game for the house.

this one was smart enough to know house rules, but not smart enough to learn bs.

 

[standard toaster]

there are cases where thay can keep their mouths shut
one instance where we were playing with all new dealers as well. the dealers showing 10 and three ploppies in front of me bust it gets to me with a 5 unit bet out and i bust on 23 but the dealer says nice and moves on. Feeling bad i look to the other players and they shrug their shoulders and are happy for my good fortune... it was a nice table indeed

 

[bjcounter]

I had a good ploppy last week. I got bored and played BJ switch with my wife. 6 deck shoe, true count was +4 so I had a good chunk out in front of me and my wife. I got two double hands ended up with 2 - 20's and my wife had a 19 and a 20. One other ploppy at table. Dealer had 6 up, pulled another six and then a 10 for 22, which is a push in switch. Dealer paid us, ploppy looked over at me as I snatched up the chips ASAP, and ploppy did the same. My wife and I got up right then and there. Dealer realized what she had done after we got up and ploppy just smiled at us and got up too. That was one expensive mistake for the house on that one. Ended up costing them almost $500 :joker:

 

[GeorgeD]

I had a good ploppy last week. I got bored and played BJ switch with my wife. 6 deck shoe, true count was +4 so I had a good chunk out in front of me and my wife. I got two double hands ended up with 2 - 20's and my wife had a 19 and a 20. One other ploppy at table. Dealer had 6 up, pulled another six and then a 10 for 22, which is a push in switch. Dealer paid us, ploppy looked over at me as I snatched up the chips ASAP, and ploppy did the same. My wife and I got up right then and there. Dealer realized what she had done after we got up and ploppy just smiled at us and got up too. That was one expensive mistake for the house on that one. Ended up costing them almost $500 :joker:

This is really odd. I was playing blackjack switch last week. Relief dealer drew 22 (a push) and said "that's 23, right?". She looked around the table and everyone was quiet. She was confused and trying to figure it out, but had ger hand on the tray like she was going to pay. Then some guy says "yea, that's 22 it's a push". Dealer still looks confused for a sec and finally picks up the cards and leaves the bets.

I know it wasn't you, counter, because IIRC there were no significant bets out (first time I played switch).

 

[bjcounter]

Evidently this happens often in switch. Hope it happens to me more often. Where were you playing when it did?

 

[Renzey]

I was playing a D9 game this weekend. There was a mammoth +11 TC and I have A8 against the dealers 6. Of course I had max bet out. Now, I know I can't double A8 in a D9 game but I ask "Can I double my 9 ?".

The D9 games I've played in allow you to double A/8, but if you catch a deuce your hand is ruled as an 11.

 

[GeorgeD]

Evidently this happens often in switch. Hope it happens to me more often. Where were you playing when it did?

Niagara Falls, Ontario. After she caught the mistake he dealer laughed and said how it was really strange and hard to deal this game. She was a relief dealer, and this was the only "switch" table. She probably come from just dealing a regular BJ table.

Even after reading up on switch in Snyder's "Big Book of BJ" it's a really confusing game to play. They say you only bring the HA really low if you play the strategy for the switch and the BS perfectly. Other wise teh HA goes way up. I may stay away until I can practice.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Niagara Falls, Ontario. After she caught the mistake he dealer laughed and said how it was really strange and hard to deal this game. She was a relief dealer, and this was the only "switch" table. She probably come from just dealing a regular BJ table.

Even after reading up on switch in Snyder's "Big Book of BJ" it's a really confusing game to play. They say you only bring the HA really low if you play the strategy for the switch and the BS perfectly. Other wise teh HA goes way up. I may stay away until I can practice.

Not "way" up. Most of the switch decisions are obvious, and with the ones that aren't obvious, the difference in combined win rate between the two possible pairs of hands is very small.

But you probably should be very experienced with BJ theory and have a good feel for win rates, offensive vs. defensive splits and the like before you mess with BJ Switch.

 

[HarryKuntz]

The D9 games I've played in allow you to double A/8, but if you catch a deuce your hand is ruled as an 11.

I'm aware some casino's play this rule but IMHO it's an unfair one. How can they change a fundamental rule of blackjack of an A being worth 1 or 11 to suit the casino after a double - it just doesn't seem right or fair to me. This rule doesn't apply in any DOA games that I know of, so why should it in a D9 game. Greedy casinos!

 

[Blue Efficacy]

I'm aware some casino's play this rule but IMHO it's an unfair one. How can they change a fundamental rule of blackjack of an A being worth 1 or 11 to suit the casino after a double - it just doesn't seem right or fair to me. This rule doesn't apply in any DOA games that I know of, so why should it in a D9 game. Greedy casinos!

But it MUST be 9 to double in a D9 game, you cannot double a 19. Their rationale is you're saying the ace is 1 only when you do the double down. I don't like it either, but they have a point. In a double on any, it's perfectly legal to double on a 19, so the ace retains its flexibility.

 

[rollem411]

Annoying Woman

Well since the title of this thread is about annoying ploppies I thought I would share this. The other day while at Caesars they had the minimum $15 at one of the tables so I hopped in at a +count and started playing. The count stays +/neutral for most of the shoe and then starts to drop. My usual gameplan is that I play $10 min. Well I play about 3 hands or so with the 10 out there and nobody says anything until the woman in the center goes "Oh he's playing a ten dollar hand, are we allowed to do that?" Dealer tells her no and makes me put out the 15 from then on. I felt like slapping her.

 

[Thunder]

I hear ya on that. That's happened to me a lot when they change the limits on the table. I couldn't believe the guts this one ploppie had though. He got suited queens that would have paid 125-1 on a lucky ladies bet and right after the dealer dealt him his cards, he tried to slip a $5 chip onto the circle so he could paid. Then when the dealer caught him he just tried to play it off like he was joking.

 

[WRX]

Why can't ploppes keep their noses out?

Just tell'em to keep their noses out of Harry Kuntz!

 

[HarryKuntz]

But it MUST be 9 to double in a D9 game, you cannot double a 19. Their rationale is you're saying the ace is 1 only when you do the double down. I don't like it either, but they have a point. In a double on any, it's perfectly legal to double on a 19, so the ace retains its flexibility.

So you are basically saying that:-

"An Ace is only worth 11 but when 11 makes the hand bust, it is then worth 1, the player has no choice regarding the point value of the card."

However, if you read the rules for blackjack in a casino, at least where i play, they say:-

"The player has the choice of an Ace being worth 1 or 11."

So which of these statements is correct? Maybe we should have a poll?

 

[HarryKuntz]

Almost Forgiven

Just tell'em to keep their noses out of Harry Kuntz!

I've kinda forgiven this ploppie now as I saw it again this weekend. It had all of its remaining chips on the felt, (which was a reasonable sized bet) and got dealt 11v6 during a TC of +3. Instead of buying more chips to double, it let me double instead.

I would have totally forgiven this ploppie but the hand got pushed!